Just do a search on hotjobs and prepare to be blown away by the vast
listings....
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:33 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!

  Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as bad as
  it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting a large project.
  It's true learning on company time is a big perk. Does anyone see
  Python and/or Zope and professionally marketable skill?

  - Glen

  From: Shawn Grover
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!

    If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal
  server,
    but code in CF professionally.  My experience thus far is that Zope does
    have a lot of potential to make life easy.  I've installed Plone on top
of
    Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with
    editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other
nifty
    tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings.  From
  what
    I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and
    create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse
  clicks.

    To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at
least
  a
    week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion).
So,
    the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for
Zope
    and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent.
    Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool
  for
    Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages.  Once I have this done, then
  I'll
    be diving deeper into customizing my templates.  If all goes well, I'll
be
    able to publish my sight by Monday.  If I were doing this in CF, my
target
    publish date would be a month or two down the road....  Oh, and btw, I
    haven't yet had to do any python scripting.  (I face the same deal as
you
    with regards to python - I don't know it....)

    Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some
very
    amazing stuff with it.  But for my personal server, I've choosen the
open
    source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux.

    My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with
  Zope,
    then make a judgment for your specific needs.

    HTH

    Shawn

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:50 AM
    To: CF-Talk
    Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!

    Hey everyone.

    I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope.
    (www.zope.org)

    We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical,
    he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in
    Zope.  Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny,
    (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows
Python
    (yet).
    Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could
be
    made
    either way?

    Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in?

    Thanks for your input.

    - Glen Salisbury
    Application Engineer

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