Yeah, Adam's got my back. It's that Hopkins brotherhood kickin' in :-)
John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -----Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?! John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers. Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ majority of people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers who can't even write HTML. Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and why it's so popular. Again, thats not to say someone cant be skilled in both areas, but considering the vast amount of knowledge it requires to be a master of either, there are many highly skilled graphic designers (that I have worked with) who can only create HTML with a WYSIWYG. Because coding isn't important to a focused graphic designer. Plus not all graphic designers design for the web. Most paid design work is still in print and other media. John is right in making an 'assumption' (not slander, not a slur) that the majority of graphic designers are not coders. -Adam On 4/19/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you suck, get over it :) > > jk. > > and im sorry, i just cant agree. im both. 100% i know more about > photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the > developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all > good. > > just retract your statement and we will stop. or is this like pen*s > envy and you cant design? > > aight mang... take it easy... > > by the way... new job? didnt you work somewhere else last year? > > tony > > On 4/19/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic > > designers are not, by nature, programmers. That's why we > > distinguish between the two. The start of my post was pointing out > > that Adobe may be able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a > > simple way for non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done > > on websites (send email, include files, etc). Of course there are > > lots of tricks that one can do with a web server, but usually to > > understand those, you have to have worked extensively with web > > servers or studied the subject to know about SSI. Most designers I > > have met don't know much about the capabilities of web servers at > > all (virtual directories being the simplest example) and I don't > > fault them for this as it is not their job. It's the same way that > > I wouldn't expect most programmers on this list to know all of the > > keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in Photoshop. It's not that > > we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's not in our daily set of > > tasks. I know there are exceptions to certain rules, but I would > > say that most people who label themselves as designers probably > > don't know much about programming. If they do know programming, > > they would probably classify themselves as designer/developers. > > It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm just explaining the basis for my statements. > > > > > > John Burns > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | > > Web Developer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! > > > > I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the > > first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized > > back in the mid-90's. > > > > As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost > > all of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg > > tools and others have become accomplished coders. > > > > I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and > > offensive. > > > > --- > > Kevin Graeme > > Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of > > Wisconsin-Extension > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! > > > > > > Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even > > > understand the concept of a web server. > > > > > > > > > John Burns > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. > > > | Web Developer > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. 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