On 11/13/05, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/11/05, Mark Fuqua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really can't believe Ruby would be/could be quicker than PLUM. > > Nor can I. RoR requires you manually generate controllers, models and > scaffolding. If you want a nicely formatted page / form, you need to > write it yourself since the defaults are ugly ass tables that don't > really let you tweak them easily with CSS. PLUM does a lot more > auto-generation so it's bound to be faster and I suspect the generated > code is easier to modify visually. >
"ruby script\generate model User" is all that is required to generate a user model. "ruby script\generate scaffold User" will generate the model, controller, and all of the add/edit/delete/list templates. PLUM's autogeneration is a lot more "automated", but the problem starts when you've modified templates. PLUM's autogeneration becomes useless then unless you want to overwrite your changes. Truthfully, RoR's scaffolding isn't meant to be production code. You're expected to completely modify it. > I'm glad to see someone who isn't foaming at the mouth about RoR! :) > > However, my voiced concerns about scalability (of applications) in > regard to RoR also apply to PLUM. The automation in both of these > 'products' targets a specific type of data-entry application - a very > common one, granted, but still a specific problem space. Once you get > beyond that core problem space, you are back to writing code. > I would say it's probably the most common type of web app deployed today. > Barney's already mentioned the cross-platform issues here so I won't > belabor that. RoR doesn't need any special editor other than notepad and a command line. > My other complaint about PLUM (that is, technically, > applicable to RoR) is that it doesn't play nice with your > framework-of-choice. > Isn't that like saying Mach-II won't let you reuse your FBX circuit files? What framework does play nice with other frameworks? PLUM and RoR are frameworks. > I think this just highlights the point about using the right tool for > the job. I personally think RoR is totally over-hyped (and I feel > David and Adam are a little too fervent about PLUM but, hey, they > created it). I don't want to get into a(another) flame war about PLUM. > If ever they port it to Java (or create a workable Mono version) and > make it work with MySQL, I'll certainly try it - I try pretty much > anything that will run on my platform so that I have plenty of tools > at my disposal. This isn't directed at you Sean since you seem to try everything at least once, this thread seems to be the epitomy of not using the right tool for the job. Mark should try RoR instead of asking others about how it compares to his choice, afterall, how will you know you're using the correct tool if all you know is CF? > -- > Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ > Got frameworks? > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224039 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
