Well I guess for most CFML developers in a full-time job, the server side of things is not their problem, they just do the code. But if your self employed/freelance, and have to look after your own server and maybe even do the hosting as well, there is certainly a shedload more you need to learn to maintain a stable server.
Snake -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 May 2006 00:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer And that's one of the major concerns I had about upgrading. After CF became JAVA based (if that's accurate), I started seeing things on this list I couldn't begin to comprehend, having had no experience with JAVA whatsoever. I felt like I'd really be getting in over my head trying to deal with issues of CF and, as you stated, JRUN, and the JVM. I finally had a stable CF system and was really afraid to touch it, being a one server business. I didn't have multiple servers as I do now, and couldn't afford for something to go wrong. The water got a little too deep for comfort. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer Altho, all things considered with the improvements CFMX brings, I still find CF5 more stable than CFMX. The inclusion of JAVA to the equation increased the number of things that can go wrong on your server. Instead of just CF being the problem, you now have CF, JRUN and the JVM. An error on CF5 was a lot easier to diagnose too, whereas you have to know somehting about JAVA to decipher a JVM stacktrace. Snake -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2006 22:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer Thanks for the perspective, Denny. I've haven't tried talking with Adobe about it, but should I decide to upgrade, I'll certainly talk to them. As far as the changes from 4.5 to the current version, I wasn't saying not much has changed, except from the standpoint of all the changes still end up performing add, update, delete, report as the basics of CF functionality. Of course, I'm speaking out of inexperience in actually using any of the later versions, especially the current one, but what would you say are the basic functionality advances in CF (or asp, jsp, or whatever) in the last decade? Sure, faster, more efficient ways of using code, faster execution, and... (I'm sure there are many other efficiencies I'm not aware of), but what basic purposes of CF have changed. One of the biggest changes I have been intrigued by is Flash remoting, and now Flex, but as one who builds sites that have to have search engine optimization as a major concern, Flash is totally disfunctional from that perspective compared with plain ole HTML. I guess I'm just looking at the very broad picture of dynamic data use, and not even just CF. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 4:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer Out of curiosity, has anyone called adobe and tried the old human element? I only dealt with MM via email, but they were pretty helpful. Some companies give their employees (i.e. sales department folks) more power than others, allowing them to make exceptions based on their judgement. It doesn't hurt to mention that you have several sites running 4.5, so they'd be getting more than a one time purchase. Sometimes future money is worth something, probably more than old money, but... I dunno. Depends on who you get, and how you handle it, etc.. Worth a try tho if you're serious about it. I know I mentioned this earlier, but I don't know if it happened, and if it did, I'd be interested in how helpful (or non-helpful) the sales reps are/were. Maybe Snake is correct, and they are only looking out for the big spenders, I haven't dealt with anyone personally in quite a while, so... Well, the human element is sooo hit and miss tho, I guess one's experience wouldn't reflect/help too much with an other's. Eh, worth a shot at least. I think Dave W. has the right idea, there has been a lot of work put into CF, and I disagree with the idea that not much has changed since 4.5. There are tons of areas with slick stuff that was never available before, clustering is easier than ever, etc.. For contrast, where I work we use an app that costs us $7000 a year, and they do about as much work as I do in a day that whole year. I'm exaggerating, but not by as much as I'd like to be. I agree, value is a concept like relation and plurals/singular(s), somewhat gray by nature. But Dave hit it on the head, your time is the factor you should consider above initial cost. Of course, your time is relative, so, it is a complicated formula (or is that equation? bah ;). Who knows what the future holds. Educated guesses are the best we can get. cfdump has saved me hours alone tho, seconded. Or thirded. :-) Good luck making up your mind, this is a decision that will continue to effect (or affect?) you for years to come, it looks like. :denny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239776 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
