Ok, to clarify this to Brian let's break down "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (aka Spam)
Unsolicited: I never asked for any emails from you, I've judiciously turned off the
"do not wish to receive partner emails" on EVERY site I've visited, I don't see any
implied consent anywhere, so in short, your email is unsolicited
Commercial: You are not a friend of mine, or a work related contact email emailing me,
you are not anyone that I know, or any email list I've opted into, you are promoting a
business, and therefore you are commercial
Email: Well duh....
Therefore, I'd consider it Spam, and you'd better take me off the list, especially
granted that this is my work email and there I look on Spam very nastily (having gone
so far as to place phone calls with higher ups on particularly annoying spammers).
Plus this is the City of LA as my ISP, you really want a bill from them? So Spam at
your Peril. In short, find another way....
Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 2:47 PM >>>
Interesting. I'm going to add that to my anti-spam engine. Got any sample
legal text to work this or should I just run with it as is.
> However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
> assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
contract,
> it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
> knowledge, not been tested.
> might be fun though
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > Actually you're both wrong.
> >
> > The bill reads
> >
> > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may
publish a
> > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam.
They
> > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per
day
> > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees
are
> > also recoverable."
> >
> > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> >
> > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial
E-mail
> > sent to a large number of addresses". That means any message that you
send
> > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > several differen't people at once. And, yes, doing loop so that only
one
> > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> >
> > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> >
> > --K
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > is that law
> > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > companies that have
> > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > are internet
> > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > outbound emails
> > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > to the partner
> > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > business we have
> > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > to focus on
> > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > rise in worth.
> > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > recipient
> > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > >
> > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > >
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > include
> > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > will charge
> > > you
> > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > it's worst....
> > > > Most Recently.
> > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > marketing
> > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > >
> > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > doublequoted
> > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > >
> > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > own thing to
> > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > The lets say a
> > > > flash developer need function.... There you go....
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > > at FA but it
> > > > isn't
> > > > > up yet.
> > > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > > the best as many
> > > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > > didn't want to be
> > > part
> > > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > > people to come
> > > > visit
> > > > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then
> > > emailing them
> > > > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did
> > > something very
> > > > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from
> > > talk graoups,
> > > > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major
> > > issues emailing
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live
> > > on a site that
> > > > > rates
> > > > > > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer
> > > strengths like
> > > > > > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure
> > > currently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are there any existing directories?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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