There are a few lines that you can add to CF config files and it will store all session data in the db. I tried it and it proved to be a bit slow, and I imagine it will be the same with ASP. CF has an arguably better solution where it shares the data between all the servers directly, instead of loading the db server on every request.
Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit. > > WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon worked here. lol. > There are tons of reasons why you may want to write your own session > handler > OR just write a new intermediary to connect with another db type, use file > system, etc. You really can't comment here unless you know what ASP.NET > offers in the way of session customization. So you can use Java, write a > service factory, blah blah. How long will that take for the common CF > developer (medium to advanced level)? Seriously. Now research how to do it > in ASP.NET and do it in a much shorter timespan. > > First off, the same flex/flash controls can be used in any language so no > need to boast that. Yes, Flash forms are CF only but aren't very usable > for > the common CF developer that doesn't know AS (for complex things that is). > Your controls statement about .net is off. You can easily create your own > controls that provide intellisense and the 9 in minutes. > > ASP.NET is OS independent as well. I simply said you can leverage the OS > MUCH better than in CF. That is it and all. > > Mobile, web, desktop blah blah blah. Dude, again...arguing just to argue. > I > was merely clarifying that you can't compare CF to .NET. There is no > battle > there. .NET as a whole is way beyond CF for the simple fact that .NET is > not > a web programming language like CF. ASP.NET is. That is the comparison you > make. Too many people compare .NET to CF...you just can't. That is my only > point. > > I'm not arguing the price here. All I'm saying is that is what most people > have to go on. I could care less if Adobe drops the price or not. I think > it > would be the best decision for CF and the community but who cares. We're a > small shop and will continue to shell out the cash for our CF license(s). > > No, we haven't purchased a J2EE server. No need. > > To bottom line this for you man, I'm a hardcore CF lover. We use it often. > Our site is built with it. We do client work with it. I write about it. > With > all of that said, .NET's abilities (ASP.NET included) far exceed CF when > you > get beyond cfquery and simple output stuff. Seriously, learn C# and do a > ..NET site. You will see what I mean. Again, I love CF and am not turning > my > back on it. You just SERIOUSLY need to open your mind a bit. I was you > less > than a year ago. Arguing for no reason. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > Yes I can it's called wddx. > > > > My own session handler? Why would I, they wrote one for me. If I > needed > > more than what it offered I could extend my application using things > like > > the service factory and the other macromedia java objects that are out > > there. I could also just write my own classes. > > > > Can I do mobile, web and desktop applications from the same platform? > No > > I > > can't. I can't do desktop apps, you are correct, so what? If I am on a > > desktop I have a browser. Mobile and web I have covered. > > > > Controls? Leverage the OS? Hell, mine are OS independent, and I am not > > limited by what the controls I have been given or purchased. I can > expand > > my UI using Flex or Flash to give me any and all elements that I need. > > > > The price issue again, jeez. Seriously, with all that speed of > > development > > that you are talking about is the cost really that large of an issue for > > an > > "ENTERPRISE" solution? > > > > Have you purchased a J2EE server recently? Know how much they cost? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:14 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> > >> > >> Loathe, can you store that session data in a database with ease? > >> If so, what > >> database? Can you write your own session handler that integrates > >> with the CF > >> session handler? > >> > >> That's just a few things you can do with .NET. I know the answer to the > >> questions so no need to answer them. > >> > >> To back up some of what Phil said, do what ScottGu did here: > >> http://blogs.katapultmedia.com/jb2/2006/09/scottgu_linq_aspnet_iis > >> _7_and.html. > >> Do that in the amount of time he did it and I will sing praises. :-) > >> > >> The issue here is the power of .net vs CF. .net is > >> enterprise...bottom line. > >> You can build an end to end app in .net (mobile, web, desktop). > >> CF is only > >> web-based so you can only compare asp.net to CF, to be fair about it. > >> > >> CF is definitely faster from 0 to 60 when dealing wtih basic > >> things. Now, if > >> you want to create a datagrid that has paging, sorting, inline > >> updating/deleting, etc in CF you'll be twiddling your thumbs for > >> a while and > >> an ASP.NET developer will be done in 2 minutes. That is the biggest > >> difference between CF and ASP.NET. ASP.NET has controls. CF > >> doesn't. ASP.NET > >> can leverage the entire OS. CF can't. > >> > >> The robustness of ASP.NET cannot be denied. The speed of CF cannot be > >> denied. They both are great tech's and this convo is really a > >> losing battle. > >> Regardless of which one is better in the mind of the developer, it > should > >> always come down to what fits the project best. > >> > >> I do agree that Adobe needs to reduce the price tag, drastically. > >> If CF was > >> free (for example), there wouldn't be much of a complaint by any of the > >> other religious .net'ers, php'ers, etc. Price is the biggest > >> problem in CF. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:01 AM > >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> > >> > >> >I don't think I could disagree more. > >> > > >> > I've been around the CF community for a few minutes now, and I see > the > >> > exact > >> > opposite. Now maybe in your market this is true, but I can assure > that > >> > CF, > >> > at least in the government sector where I work, has been growing like > >> > crazy. > >> > There are tons of CF jobs in the Washington DC area. > >> > > >> > Also, how does CF not have excellent session management? I mean, we > >> > use > >> > groups of clustered boxes that give us excellent response > >> times, up times, > >> > and they all share our session information. > >> > > >> > Just wondering what site was it that you were on that had al of > >> this crazy > >> > traffic? > >> > > >> > I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in > >> > the > >> > world for the last couple of years. > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM > >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Steve, > >> >> > >> >> Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996. > >> >> > >> >> I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# > >> >> to Java is > >> >> remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. > >> >> However, I must > >> >> agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / requires > less > >> >> hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session > >> >> capability > >> >> that allows your SQL database to track your session state and > >> much more. > >> >> > >> >> After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself > >> >> using > >> >> ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or > >> >> clients that > >> >> are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic > >> >> ColdFusion site on the planet. > >> >> > >> >> Here is a situation similar to mine: > >> >> http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx > >> >> ?FileName= > >> >> 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx > >> >> > >> >> The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about > >> the number > >> >> of > >> >> developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post > >> conversion. They must > >> >> have had some code org. issues, because that has been the same for > us. > >> >> > >> >> Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless > >> >> Adobe adopts > >> >> a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with > .NET > >> >> and > >> >> Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst > >> >> continuing > >> >> to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game > >> >> in town and > >> >> they need to start acting like it. > >> >> > >> >> I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no > >> flames. I hate > >> >> it > >> >> just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I have > >> >> finally > >> >> learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at > least. > >> >> Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt > >> >> yourself in the > >> >> end. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --Phil > >> >> > >> >> ===========> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM > >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > >> >> I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge > >> >> in > >> >> development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of > >> >> original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual designer, > there > >> >> are > >> >> times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than > >> >> CF - given > >> >> that the programmers knowledge of both is equal. > >> >> > >> >> Steve Brownlee > >> >> http://www.fusioncube.net/ > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM > >> >> > To: CF-Talk > >> >> > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > > >> >> > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in .NET > still > >> >> > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on > >> say Asp.Net > >> >> > ... I just know VB myself, > >> >> > > >> >> > TK > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release > >> Date: 9/22/2006 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254793 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
