Loathe, can you store that session data in a database with ease? If so, what database? Can you write your own session handler that integrates with the CF session handler?
That's just a few things you can do with .NET. I know the answer to the questions so no need to answer them. To back up some of what Phil said, do what ScottGu did here: http://blogs.katapultmedia.com/jb2/2006/09/scottgu_linq_aspnet_iis_7_and.html. Do that in the amount of time he did it and I will sing praises. :-) The issue here is the power of .net vs CF. .net is enterprise...bottom line. You can build an end to end app in .net (mobile, web, desktop). CF is only web-based so you can only compare asp.net to CF, to be fair about it. CF is definitely faster from 0 to 60 when dealing wtih basic things. Now, if you want to create a datagrid that has paging, sorting, inline updating/deleting, etc in CF you'll be twiddling your thumbs for a while and an ASP.NET developer will be done in 2 minutes. That is the biggest difference between CF and ASP.NET. ASP.NET has controls. CF doesn't. ASP.NET can leverage the entire OS. CF can't. The robustness of ASP.NET cannot be denied. The speed of CF cannot be denied. They both are great tech's and this convo is really a losing battle. Regardless of which one is better in the mind of the developer, it should always come down to what fits the project best. I do agree that Adobe needs to reduce the price tag, drastically. If CF was free (for example), there wouldn't be much of a complaint by any of the other religious .net'ers, php'ers, etc. Price is the biggest problem in CF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? >I don't think I could disagree more. > > I've been around the CF community for a few minutes now, and I see the > exact > opposite. Now maybe in your market this is true, but I can assure that > CF, > at least in the government sector where I work, has been growing like > crazy. > There are tons of CF jobs in the Washington DC area. > > Also, how does CF not have excellent session management? I mean, we use > groups of clustered boxes that give us excellent response times, up times, > and they all share our session information. > > Just wondering what site was it that you were on that had al of this crazy > traffic? > > I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in the > world for the last couple of years. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? >> >> >> Steve, >> >> Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996. >> >> I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# >> to Java is >> remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. >> However, I must >> agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / requires less >> hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session >> capability >> that allows your SQL database to track your session state and much more. >> >> After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself using >> ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or >> clients that >> are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic >> ColdFusion site on the planet. >> >> Here is a situation similar to mine: >> http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx >> ?FileName= >> 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx >> >> The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about the number >> of >> developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post conversion. They must >> have had some code org. issues, because that has been the same for us. >> >> Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless >> Adobe adopts >> a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with .NET >> and >> Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst >> continuing >> to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game >> in town and >> they need to start acting like it. >> >> I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no flames. I hate >> it >> just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I have >> finally >> learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at least. >> Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt >> yourself in the >> end. >> >> >> >> --Phil >> >> ===========> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? >> >> I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in >> development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of >> original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual designer, there >> are >> times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than >> CF - given >> that the programmers knowledge of both is equal. >> >> Steve Brownlee >> http://www.fusioncube.net/ >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? >> > >> > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in .NET still >> > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on say Asp.Net >> > ... I just know VB myself, >> > >> > TK >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
