Which is why we are a java shop now, enterprise applications are cheaper overall to integrate into open source solutions, and then when you have a $7.5k license to an application you are developing and use only about 2% of the features to distribute your application costs more with Coldfusion 8.
But, on the other side of the coin as Java developers we have a better way of dealing with this problem. Since moving to Java a few months ago I have emulated enough of Coldfusion into JSTL to do what we need, the time invested is minimal when you think about the overall use that these JSTL's are going to beneficial to us. And we can now turn a $2k investment in time, into about $100 per application we sell. This is why the price of Coldfusion in an Enterprise environment will never be taken seriously by the people who make the decisions. And what would have been a better move, in my opinion is to open source the engine and modulate those that need to retain IP or licensing costs, Adobe would have found that with this sort of business approach Adobe would actually make more money with Coldfusion than they do now as well as capturing more market share in the enterprise market. And you wonder why so many enterprise developers look towards open source software, and support these business models more than ever. The overall concept of one application that does everything is very appealing, however the cost is not so appealing. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 12:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin Rick... You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to someone, then you've already lost the battle. There might be a few people that would be convinced by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are going to see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of the stuff about it. They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go install PHP or something. andy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284995 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
