Isn't MS targeting enterprise customers as well?  However, they made it easy
to get access to developers and tools.  Giving away free copies to
universities, and having light versions of things available for free (SQL
Express, Visual Studio Express, etc). 

Russ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
> 
> >The only way you can "pressure" a company is to not buy its products.
> 
> I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way, but not the
> *only* way. Have we really gotten the word out as a community to Adobe in
> terms of what we are seeing and the trends that are happening? Sales
> numbers alone are just not going to give the whole picture.
> 
> 
> >And, for what it's worth, targeting the enterprise is what every Java
> vendor
> >does - even the open-source ones. You don't see small businesses or
> >freelancers building J2EE web applications. I wonder how Java's doing?
> 
> The difference is that Java is widely taught in schools, and people know
> if they learn it they will have no trouble finding a job....thus, there is
> hardly a lack of experienced developers for it. The reverse is true for
> CF....it is a rare college that has classes for it, developers don't see
> it as a technology worthy of learning or that will help them get a good
> job, and thus experienced coders are harder and harder to find. Do you
> really think enterprises will keep using CF if the number of developers
> that know it continue to drop? We're used to seeing the posts about CF
> dying, etc. particularly from outside the community...but we're hearing
> more and more from inside the community about problems finding developers,
> companies having to switch to .NET, etc. due to lack of experienced
> coders, and that just is not going to be something that strictly marketing
> to the Enterprise is going to fix.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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