But they both sell software...they must be identical. </sarcasm> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mark A. Kruger <mkru...@cfwebtools.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > But Microsoft owns the whole stack from the OS down to the programming > languages themselves.... Adobe is a different sort of company. > > -Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:15 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive? > > > I disagree with the suggestion that the technologies major companies decide > to use is unimportant to developers. I am active in the Microsoft developer > and database communities and I can say with certainty that Microsoft makes a > big deal about how they use their own technologies to power their company. > The phrase "we eat our own dog food" is used all the time in Microsoft > presentations. Scott Guthrie seems to mention this in every talk he gives. I > have heard "we use the technology ourselves" used as a selling point for SQL > Server 2008, Exchange 2010, IIS 7, Visual Studio 2010, WPF, Silverlight, SQL > Azure, and other well known technologies. In fact, for every Microsoft > technology I can think of that is targeted at IT people, one of the main > selling points is "we use this product ourselves so we are motivated to make > it better by our own internal IT staff." When Microsoft does not use one of > their own promoted in-house technologies for something, such as not using > WPF for MS Office 2010, the criticism is loud and widespread. The Microsoft > developer community erupted with criticism a couple months ago when Bob > Muglia, who was one of the top guys at MS until recently, publicly expressed > Microsoft's commitment for HTML 5, a non-Microsoft technology and a direct > competitor to Microsoft's in-house technologies. > > If you don't typically see these types of issues discussed with tech > companies other than Adobe, it is because publicly using competing products > normally should not happen. When Steve Jobs appears on stage, he has an iPod > in his pocket, a MacBook on the podium, and a Keynote presentation on the > big screen. If he showed up with a Zune, a computer running Windows 7, and a > PowerPoint presentation, it would absolutely be a popular topic of > conversation. > > > > The fact that Microsoft uses their own technologies is a big deal to me. > Upgrading a mission critical database is always risky. The fact that > Microsoft used SQL Server 2008 to power their own Web sites and > applications, even while the product was still under development, gave me > added confidence that SQL Server 2008 was stable enough to use right after > it was released for sale. One of the reasons a Microsoft manager said that > Silverlight/WPF advanced as fast as it did was because Visual Studio 2010 > was built on the Windows Presentation Foundation framework, and > feedback/pressure from their own VS2010 development team was used to rapidly > advance Silverlight to the v4 version. > > > > Based on my knowledge of the inner workings of certain large organizations, > there is typically huge pressure on managers to not be seen using competing > products. The CEO of Coca-Cola will never be seen enjoying a Pepsi. Steve > Balmer will never be seen talking on an iPhone. If someone handed him one he > would smash it on the ground as quickly and as forcefully as he could. Adobe > appears to lack the same internal pressure and competitive spirit that > exists in other successful large corporations. Adobe has an excuse in that > they acquired most of their major development products, but that excuse > cannot be used forever. > > > -Mike Chabot > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/chabot > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/chabot> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Dave Watts <dwa...@figleaf.com> wrote: > >> if you go on mailing lists for those other products, >> you don't find developers talking about what's used on what web sites, >> and how that reflects on anything meaningful. > > > > >
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