About a year ago I was really frustrated with the hassles of managing
clients web sites that my company had developed applications for. Most end
users are not permitted to connect to their host providers RDS, rather they
have the FTP flavor of managing there files. Some ISP's have control panels
so you can at least manage the datasources but control panels for CF are far
an few between. Sounds like there will be added support for the hosting
environment in CF 5 but maybe the license will be prohibitive to the smaller
ISP's. What I did a year ago to alleviate this problem was build a tool that
the ISP of my client could install for free and then I would give my client
a free license to abort the 30 day trial. I can manage the clients
datasources, verity, advanced security, log files and edit cfm templates
right online. There are a multitude of articles on query best practices and
the custom tag model thus far is a pretty fair method of creating reusable
code. I guess for now with the tools that I use I will be ok with not
upgrading to CF 5. It will be interesting to see the outcome of this in the
future.
Bryan LaPlante
Network Web Applications Inc.
http://www.netwebapps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John McKown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
> Steve,
>
> Excellent points. Might I also add that some of us ISPs are actually web
> development shops and hosting companies as well. In our web development
> shop, some of our designers are just getting into application development.
> And these guys are fast learners. I have pointed them towards CF because
it
> is a good RAD environment for them to learn in. They have already built
> some pretty impressive CF apps running on SQL.
>
> But when we give a quote for a web development job, we factor in the CF
> work, the CF License, as well as the increase in hosting that a CF site
will
> cause. In many cases, our larger clients opt for a dedicated server.
Since
> the bottom fell out of the PC server market, it is not unheard of to build
a
> CF server that costs $1500 that will run Win2K, SQL Server, and CF all on
> the same box. This actually works pretty well for a small application,
and
> we are doing this now.
>
> But add up the software cost:
>
> CF Pro: $1200
> M$ SQL Server (only 5 licenses): $1400
> Win2K: $600 (ASP Included Free)
>
> As much as I hate a command line interface, Linux, PHP and MySQL are
> starting to look attractive. Especially for these smaller sites that need
> their own box for security, whatever.
>
> I agree with you Steve, MM should drop the price on CF Server to gain
market
> share. Market share is important. And for god's sake if you are going to
> try to get more revenue from hosting companies, then at least provide
tools
> to make managing the security of the sites easier. IMHO the sandbox
feature
> should be standard across the board. Maybe they should merge Enterprise
and
> Professional editions to accomplish this.
>
> John McKown, Owner
> Delaware.Net, Inc.
> 30 Old Rudnick Lane, Suite 200
> Dover, DE 19901
> phone: 302-736-5515
> toll free: 888-432-7965
> fax: 302-736-5945
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> icq: 1812513
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:46 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> We have already been told by Allaire sales reps that there will
substantial
> price increases for hosting companies with hundreds or thousands of
> domains/applications and that if we need licenses, the time to buy is now.
> This is from your own sales folks.
>
> Allaire has a well established history of announcing a fire sale on the
> current partner membership before a major price increase. This is a way to
> try and keep the partners from screaming too loud when the price change
> comes in and to generate a short spike in partner revenue before that
> program price is also increased.
>
> I would love to be surprised by a price decrease across the board for CF
> server licenses, but your own sales folks are telling us to buy now before
> the price goes up.
>
> Last time during the beta cycle we were promised sand boxing and other
> features that would make large scale hosting, ApSP, and shared hosting
> systems more secure. Then at the last moment, sand boxing and the other
> security enhancements were moved into a new version of software called CF
> Enterprise which was not covered by existing maintenance contracts for
Pro.
> So folks had to scramble for new license agreements and when they did,
they
> found that the price of CF went up with a five fold increase to some
$5,000.
> Hence why many hosting companies are still with 4.0 and didn't upgrade to
> 4.5.
>
> Now taking a page from Microsoft's successful price increase of SQL Server
> to processor based and connection based licensing, McAllaire is looking to
> do the same thing. We have already heard from MM in past conference calls
> with analyst and at meetings about adaptive licensing, tiered licensing,
and
> increasing license revenue streams. These appear to be code words for, the
> price is going up.
>
> The difference is Microsoft has not significant competition or alternative
> in the NT SQL market.
>
> ISP's are the backbone for CF deployment and for introducing new
developers
> to CF. The price should actually be going down for these companies not up.
> When ASP and PHP are already free to hosting companies, it means a lot for
> hosting companies to spend real dollars to license CF.
>
> I recently watched one of Inline's largest hosting company shelve iHTML
> after a major price increase by Inline and there was hardly a whimper from
> the customer base. The ISP gave everyone a reasonable period of time to
> transition their apps. In the end, they lost just a handful of customers
> that said they wanted to stick with iHTML. CF is not invincible in the ISP
> market. Allaire can't depend on a huge outcry from customers to force
> Hosting companies to keep CF or lose a significant revenue stream. The
> stream is not that significant and there are other lower cost and just as
> effective options to CF.
>
> What do you expect would happen if an ISP told their customers that ASP
and
> PHP host pricing will remain the same but the cost of CF hosting will
> increase by 25 to 50%? We have some early research that indicates as many
as
> 70% of those customers would opt for the lower price ASP/PHP service
rather
> than opt for a higher monthly fee for CF. I expect that this number is
> probably much higher when you get to the point of actually charging the
> persons credit card. There is no significant brand loyalty for CF like you
> see in the Apple Macintosh market where you can almost always bank on at
> least 8 to 10% buying a Mac.
>
> Allaire-O-Media maybe making a mistake to think that increasing pricing
for
> hosting partners will have a long term positive effect on the market share
> and increased revenues from CF. If CF wants to see a turn around in market
> share, the price for hosting needs to come down, not up.
>
> Cheers!
>
> - Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
this.
> Stay tuned.
>
> --- Ben Forta
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> > MM could be positioning CF upmarket, abandoning the low-end
> > web apps to
> > PHP, open source platforms, and ASP, and targetting
> > primarily, exclusively
> > the corps, not the hosting services, knowing MM can?t run a business
> > competing with free open source software, and the equally
> > free MS security
> > blanket.
>
> And where would that leave smaller developers? Out in the cold or suddenly
> finding themselves having to learn PHP?
>
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