And we'll all continue to develop in CFS 4.5...
-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy Bost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 27 April 2001 13:25
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
MacroMedia/Allaire should know that a Server Side Application Server like
Cold Fusion can't be compared to servers such as mail servers,webserver,
etc.and push the big licensing fees. One big difference is those servers can
be purschased & installed out of the box and do its thing with the existing
software.
Cold Fusion requires applications(thus developers). What good is a server if
the applications aren't there to run on it? Developers developing Cold
Fusion apps is what makes the demand for a ColdFusion Server.
That does Macromedia little good if we are developing in PHP,ASP etc.
They are either missing the whole boat here or they have another agenda on
down the road for their plans of ColdFusion. Unfortunately, its probably the
latter.
I agree with the reply yesterday( i don't remember who posted it), but they
should make ColdFusion Server free and then charge us the high end
prices for the RAD environments and the rich tools that they can provide to
develop applications.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Maltby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
> Well, personally I get a feeling that this is the first nail in the coffin
> of CF Application Server - see the logic - increase the price to push it
up
> to be in the same league as Broadvision and Vignette - drop spectra as the
> webtop never worked - over price the "back end" middle ware and wait and
see
> if large companies buy it - in the meantime develop jrun to act as CF
> Application Server - if CF 5 at new price fails - drop it like spectra and
> release jrun CF at slightly increased prices to old CF Enterprise - get us
> all to use that instead - etc, etc, - I'm off to buy a PHP book.....
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 27 April 2001 12:24
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aidan Whitehall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:27 AM
>
>
> Yes - having been in the Internet industry in Britain ever since there was
> one -
> I founded one of the first fully national ISP's - I can certainly endorse
> the
> comments of Aidan.
>
> What few hosting companies that have been willing hitherto to support Cold
> Fusion will surely do so no longer if the new pricing schema is at it
would
> appear to be.
>
> Service providers of all types are used to getting things for free -
Linux,
> Apache, Sendmail etc.., and premium charges for CF are hardly going to
> encourage
> service providers in general to consider actually paying for a server side
> application.
>
> I have to say - this is extremely myopic of Macromedia (subject to seeing
> the
> full details) - it will push developers who may have been waivering to
> ASP/PHP
> etc., and other free middleware.
>
> I still firmly believe that the best strategy would be to make CF Server
> free,
> and focus on marketing development tools to a much wider audience as a
> result.
>
> I think the Netscape browser is a good parallel - they had to make it free
> and
> open source to encourage people to use the portal. No one will pay for
> browsers
> anymore than they will for expensive middleware, when the alternatives are
> free
> and widely supported.
>
> Adrian Cooper.
>
>
> >
> > Do you know how many companies offer ColdFusion hosting in the UK? I
know
> of
> > about 10-15, none of which are large, well-known companies.
> >
> > Why? Demon told me it was the cost of the Application Server versus
> demand.
> > There response was "develop in ASP".
> >
> > If this pricing policy works its way through, hosting companies in the
UK
> > are going to be *less* likely to purchase CFAS, not more.
> >
> > And of the ones that have, all of them have a "price per domain" pricing
> > structure. I was hoping to see "reseller" ColdFusion hosting options
> appear
> > in the UK where you can host multiple domains for a fixed price per
month
> > (as a developer, that's ideal - we stand to generate monthly revenue the
> > more we develop in ColdFusion), but I can't see that happening if this
> > announcement comes into effect.
> >
> > So, end result, less ColdFusion hosting on offer, hosting prices don't
> come
> > down, people reluctant to go down the ColdFusion route as it seems
> > increasingly "marginialised", proprietary and costly to host. ColdFusion
> > isn't particularly mainstream in the UK as it is. Why do something that
> runs
> > the risk of making it even less-so?
> >
> > This announcement stands to hit hosting companies in the short term and
> > developers (who have to source hosting solutions for the applications
they
> > develop) in the longer term.
> >
> > If the price squeeze is enough, ColdFusion Server sales in the UK will
> > suffer, the effects of which will cascade down to the point at which
> > developers learn other languages and suggest they develop applications
in
> > those instead.
> >
> >
> > Methinks Allaire/Macromedia might be trying to recoup their losses on
> > Spectra...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aidan Whitehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Netshopperuk
> > Telephone +44 (01744) 648650
> >
> >
>
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