Well in the hopes that all these comments are really useful, here goes... I'm another hard-core hand-coder. Aside from some minor annoyances, Studio is a great editor for a wide variety of tasks, not just CF/Web development, although it certainly excels at that for a certain audience. Uh, Dreamweaver is not the same at all. Simple. A more lengthy "analysis" follows...
At 5/6/2002 02:55 PM -0700, Vernon Viehe wrote: >Thanks for your comments. I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you, just trying to >understand and explain. =) It's going to be really hard unless you work/think/code like a programmer. Nothing personal, I just think it's true. It's too late for Studio, but if you really want to understand why people are upset, here's my meager attempt at explaining part of it. >I have to emphasize that Site Definitions are core to a lot of Dreamweaver's >functionality. It's not all about holding your hand! A lot of the behaviors (which >you may or may not have used yet, but I'll bet that when you do, you'll be hooked) >depend on paths, which requires DW have knowledge of your site structure. Other >features need this knowledge as well. Yes, it does do some hand-holding, but that's >because it's already there - hand-holding is not it's reason for existance! The Site/Projects features have always been useless here,. They're all about working in a certain way, which is perhaps fine if that's how you learned to do it, but it's not at all fine if you have established ways of doing things like distributing your app to various places. Quite frankly I don't trust an IDE to update a live site/application with the right bits, I'd rather do it personally and manually and then triple check that everything went smooth. So that leaves "Live Preview" as a reason to use Sites/Projects, right? Also useless. How you can have a live preview of a form action page? What about when you're working on an included file, not a whole app (which is pretty much always, for me). What about a complex framed GUI? You can say yes you can set all that up, but frankly it's really easy to alt-tab to a browser window and do a truly live preview (which BTW is on the second monitor and not confined to the IDE window :). So, to me they're useless, as in don't make me use them, as in, how do I turn off that whole tree in the file view? >As far as the multiple environments (local, testing, sandbox, production), simply >having multiple definitions is one easy way to handle that. (i.e. SiteDef1: local > >testing SiteDef2 Local > Production or testing > production) Why does my editor need to know about our internal deployment process? >Oh, and I forgot to mention, one of the other messages said something about "syncing" >those "extra" dw files. You can "cloak" anything you don't want synced (right-click >the file/dir in the site window, choose cloaking...), and you can choose not to >upload design notes ... Great if you use DW to manage your deployment. Utterly annoying if you do it some other way. >I've been around MM since the early days of MM. I can tell you it was always >developed to be a hand-coder's tool. It's just that since it's the tool of choice for >so many professionals, everyone wants to use it. But that was never the goal. LOL. Please. Always??? C'mon, many people who know Macromedia predicted that this very discussion would happen the moment they found out about the Allaire purchase (on this very same list). I still remember some of the funnier comments at the time. Maybe we need your (or MM's) definition of "hand-coder." >I hope you guys really give it a chance. I love it, and I think most of you will too! I tried it. Really tried it. That's great that you love it (means you have the right job :) but what exactly do you use it for? Maybe once the final is out I'll try it again (someone explain to me again the point of releasing buggy software for the general public to "preview"...). It's really a very nice looking Dreamweaver/UltraDev upgrade. Where is Homesite+, anyway? What is the feature set? People (from MM) keep mentioning it as the true coders tool, so sounds like we just need to wait for that to come out. And available separately I hope. All the best, -Max ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
