that's my point RonR is following on from the lessons learned from PHP DHH is the new Rasmus Lerdorf
my guess is that RonR is (deliberatly or not) stealing ground from PHP, because of cost and opensource. it's just that it seems it's doing the same to CF. On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Name the company behind PHP. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Rod Higgins > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > No php? Hmm ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <cfaussie@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > > > > There are lots of reasons. > > > > It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, > > report > > writing, Flash / Flex hooks > > > > It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. > > > > Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve > > the > > same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be > > supported long term. > > > > Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work > > for you. > > > > Were is the support / training for these products. > > > > Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but > > personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a > > main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. > > > > 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex > > 2. Microsoft - .NET > > 3. Sun - Java > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Bjorn Schultheiss > > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? > > > > > > > > Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with > > the > > ruby language. > > > > In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. > > Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable > > quick deployment of apps. > > That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. > > That being said you must pay. > > > > I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an > > assessment. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bjorn Schultheiss > > Senior Flash Developer > > QDC Technologies > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Barry Beattie > > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? > > > > > > please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of > > ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying > > > > here's the question: Why Buy into CF? > > > > because of rapid development? > > - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against > > Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the > > fastest > > pocket-rocket. > > > > because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way > > of > > supporting AMF3 for Flex2? > > - NOPE!: "How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an > > open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General > > Public License" > > http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch > > (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) > > > > it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? > > - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real > > fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. > > Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. > > > > CFREPORT? > > ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. > > FlashForms? > > ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? > > ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems > > were > > standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 > > and > > it's not enough reason to upgrade. > > > > it's got a large, active, supportive community? > > ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the > > evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because > > their > > platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to > > opensource.... > > > > So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... > > > > ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch > > - or - upgrading from CF6.1? > > > > this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but > > how > > they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. > > > > (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the > > dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp > > here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL > > PROTECTED]@ > > straw...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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