RoR is super simple if you are following DHH's "blog in 15 minutes" presentation. After that it does get considerably harder and you are, god forbid, expected to learn something of the ruby language and the mechanics of the rails framework.
I spent about 100 hours building an app in it earlier this year and found that the 80/20 rule (80% of the funcitonality in 20% of the time, remaining 20% of the funcitonality takes 80% of the time) blew out to something like 90/10. I had 90 of the app together in about 10 hours using the scaffolding stuff, but when I needed to do harder stuff I had a very steep learning curve. So getting started in rails is very easy, trying to do stuff that doesn't come out of the box is somewhat harder. Having said that, ruby is a pretty mature & powerful language and there is not much you can't do if you spend the time learning how. There are plenty of big apps/sites out there running RoR prove its more than a neat toy. The biggest and most valid complaint I have heard against RoR and Ruby generally is the breadth and maturity of the libraries for fundamental things like HTTP and XML parsing. What is often taken for granted in the CF community is that when you are doing a XMLSearch or XMLParse you are using some of the most mature, stable and power libraries out there (mostly from the Apache Foundation). Ruby just isn't up to this level yet. On 8/30/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can someone please correct me if I am wrong, but.. > > I played around with RonR a few weekends ago and while it was quick to get a > blog going, it seemed like it would be difficult to build a more complex > application. Basically as far as I could see, RonR is good for getting raw > data (yes, I know you can join tables, whoopdidoo) and plonking it into a > web layout. Anything more complex would require a deepened understanding of > the language and many hours of stuffing around, kind of like CF, but CF has > an advantage. > > CF is simple, easy to learn and understand plus it doesn't try to obfuscate > things into models and so forth (though there are many models out there to > do this).. And how many really good developers can you get for Ruby at the > moment? > > Heres an idea which could "revolutionise" the industry, build a CF-on-rails. > > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Barry Beattie > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? > > > > please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out > of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying > > here's the question: Why Buy into CF? > > because of rapid development? > - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true > against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no > longer the fastest pocket-rocket. > > because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective > way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? > - NOPE!: "How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is > an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU > General Public License" > http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch > (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) > > it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? > - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument > real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. > Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. > > CFREPORT? > ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. > FlashForms? > ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out > Gateways? > ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems > were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck > on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. > > it's got a large, active, supportive community? > ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the > evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because > their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to > turn to opensource.... > > So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... > > ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch > - or - upgrading from CF6.1? > > this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, > but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. > > (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the > dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails > camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last > [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) > > > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
