Mike, you and I are very alike we say it like we see it. I only have one thing to say, as the message that seems to be drummed into us. Is that we should get involved in our UG, well what if that user group meets like 3 times a year?
If the UG managers can't organise a place for a community to get together, on a regular basis like it is supposed to be once a month, why should we feel like we are the ones not doing enough? The buck starts at the top, and it drifts down into the trenches. Adobe should be doing the marketing, promoting the product and getting into the companies faces with incentives like Microsoft does. That would get more people interested to even attend these user groups to begin with, it's not my job to be a marketing / sales guru for a company that can't get off their ass and do it, in a country that is seriously lacking the work and developers to support the product. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 7:15 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] [ANN-SYD] CFBuilder Launch and CF App Architecture for the Impatient As to "regularly" complaining about the state of affairs of CF - i have started one thread lamenting the lack of activity on Adobe's part in selling ColdFusion about a year or so ago, and I joined a discussion along with many others about 5 years ago. Apart from that, despite some people's impressions to the contrary, I have kept my comments as positive as possible. I should also say that the last time i raised this lack of activity in Sydney, I was roundly criticised for saying it. The arguments mostly goign along the lines of "you must be wrong about no activity in Sydney because there are HEAPS of new servers going in right here in <name of town>". I was bounced off the wall by one pillar of the coldfusion community for daring to criticise Adobe, only to get a private email a day later from this same person (well connected inside Adobe) saying that he believed that Adobe senior management and Macromedia's before them had considered the Australian subsidiary as less than brilliant when it came to ColdFusion. (actually he was a lot more blunt than that!) In other words, this person who you all know said "YOU'RE WRONG!" on the CF-talk list, and "I quite agree Mike" in private. I should also say that i have spent a lot of my life in major accounts and government IT sales. I know what's involved in a major sale to a blue chip and government organisation. I managed a sales budget of $30million and 50 sales, support and admin staff before i got in the web business. I know when sales people are telling flim-flam and I know what we ought to be seeing if Adobe were making a big effort to sell more CF servers or LiveCycle servers. And i dont see any of it. So its unfair for you to characterise me as 'regularly complaining'. I tell the truth as i see it, and i saw that as an important issue at the time. Incidentally I'm not going to say any more about that issue I dont want to raise this whole mess again - i only say anything now because you were unfair characterising me that way. I'm not going to be drawn into a discussion of that point again - I made my opinions clear at the time, and even offered help to Adobe if they wanted it. But I guess they didn't. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
