And free trips maybe :) > So your saying if I move to .NET I’ll get more free lunches. > > Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > http://cfmldocs.com > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Kai Koenig > Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet > > MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from > vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are > invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and > even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - > decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing > anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite > and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of > breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool > event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks > to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe > people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). > > I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a > community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they > could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. > That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about > it. > > Cheers > Kai > > > What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience > with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? > > (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). > > Mark > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok <kck...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Eliseo & Mike > > Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is > travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or > disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing > this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the > past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF > as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have > major exposure. > > @ Mark & Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF > > I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing > the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros > and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots > to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. > how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the > "resources" (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can > overcome that. > > E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ > for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for > CF and LifeCycle? > > Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate > if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that > says "Powered by Adobe Coldfusion", Railo could also do the same > "powered by Railo Coldfusion" > > Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in > Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. > > I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the > world. > > Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't > really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... > > BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. > Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid > one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in > melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. > > PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on > CF like the forementioned 2 companies. > > In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in > ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that > CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell > it. > > Chong > > On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio <eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been jobs > > a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads I've seen > > come through... Granted they are not "pure" CF roles, but they are > > roles nonetheless. > > > > Eliseo > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear <afpwebwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are really hard > > > to > > > find, yet there have been only handful of coldfusion contracts/permanent > > > jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney. > > > If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us by > > > advertising? > > > In Sydney in the last 3 months there have been 3 coldfusion jobs > > > advertised and unless I'm looking in the wrong places, that's it. > > > I dont know the answer. > > > But I'm here and available - with up to date technical knowlege, > > > experience, > > > business and project management knowledge and lots of other stuff to > > > bring > > > to the table. > > > > > Cheers > > > Mike Kear > > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > > > AFP Webworks > > >http://afpwebworks.com > > > ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au> > > > wrote: > > > > >> Oh boy, I think I have been saying that for like 8+ years now. > > > > >> Its the market, people are finding it hard to fill ColdFusion roles. So > > >> the only thing left is to move the product over to a more feasible > > >> language > > >> with a pool of developers that they can resource from. > > > > >> Until that changes for ColdFusion it will end up dying in this country, > > >> that's the reality of it. And this has been going on ever since > > >> ColdFusion > > >> was owned by Macromedia. > > > > >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Onnis <st...@cfcentral.com.au> > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> I see it all the time. Lots of recruitment agencies see CF as a legacy > > >>> or > > >>> redundant development platform and I guess that is a result of demand > > >>> and > > >>> corporate retention of the platform. I really think Adobe needs to do > > >>> something about it. They need to advertise and get out there promoting > > >>> the > > >>> platform otherwise it will end up the way of the dodo. They need to be > > >>> out > > >>> there so we start seeing "Migrating from .NET to Coldfusion" ads! > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> "cfaussie" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "cfaussie" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > > > -- > E: mark.man...@gmail.com > T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic > W: www.compoundtheory.com > > cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia > http://www.cfobjective.com.au > > Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training > www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > -- > Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd > ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 > web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz > blog: http://www.bloginblack.de > twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK > > Hands-on Regular Expression training @ webDU 2010 > http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-befriending-regular-expressions/ > > Hands-on Flash Catalyst and Flex 4 training @ Webinale 2010 > http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-rias-with-flash-catalyst-and-flex-4/ > -- > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
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