I Totally agree El 08/10/10 12:04, "Péter, Donka" escribió: > Enough of this offtopic spam. You cant do better things but flood a > technical mailing list this foolish thing? Man.. this is awful! > > 2010.10.08. 19:39 keltezéssel, Zachary Krebs írta: >> Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD >> product is culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code, >> and how the product works, then why is this such a big issue that can >> not be reflected on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review >> it and see if there is anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy >> to move on and ignore such things, but there is now a pattern of >> web-server products using this kind of consciousness. Its >> constructive to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps the people >> involved in the project have not fully considered the implications of >> their actions. Or rather, you do not choose to look at them because >> you do not value the perspective that it could be considered >> offensive to someone. Being sensitive to how other people think/feel >> means forgoing your own logical ability for a moment, and >> understanding their place. Obviously the product does not make any >> reference to the cultural heritage of the Cherokee people. Then, >> logically, there is no need to represent the people by using their >> name or a caricature of their people? If you ignore this logic, then >> there might be a flaw in the whole concept of using "logic" to >> streamroll through these issues. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zachary Krebs >> >> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on >> constructive rather than destructive activities. >> >> Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural >> identity of the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground >> to stand on. But they don't, never have, and most likely never >> will. You're trying to create an issue where there isn't one, >> choosing to take offense to something in illogical way by using >> logical fallacies and misleading rationalizations. >> >> Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you >> feel, to consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only >> you can make the choice to react to something, you have only >> yourself to hold accountable, no one else. >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >> >>> I can see that there is very little receptivity around this >>> topic. That is fine. I would suggest that instead of using your >>> brain like a hammer to approach every issue, consider how this >>> might/ feel /to someone. As we have also learned, the mind is not >>> the only source of intelligence. Looking at things with open >>> perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, without >>> defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support >>> something, but its harder to understand and trust others. >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Zachary Krebs >>> >>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we >>> have well learned by now, a symbol is not the object it >>> represents. However you're attempting to assert the >>> representation is the object and is therefore objectionable, >>> this is a logical fallacy. >>> >>> If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your >>> time and energy enriching that culture rather than detracting >>> from relatively unrelated software projects which neither >>> detract from nor otherwise frame native ethnography. >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >>> >>>> Please consider removing it or changing it. For some >>>> context, there is a huge dispute in N. America about people >>>> using Native American symbols/logos/caricatures in popular >>>> culture to demean or otherwise insinuate that indigenous >>>> people are fast, quirky, half-witted, lesser-than, etc. The >>>> entire idea of naming web servers after Native People (for >>>> no reason) and then having logos from their cultural >>>> background makes little sense. Perhaps you could consider >>>> redesigning your logo to use something other than >>>> a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the Hiawatha >>>> forum, which has a similar issue. >>>> >>>> http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686 >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Zachary Krebs >>>> >>>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >>>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cherokee mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cherokee mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > > > _______________________________________________ > Cherokee mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee
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