Vladimir sure... I have nothing against Russians or Germans :) As you said.. that's history.
Greetings, Jędrzej Nowak On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Vladimir Smagin <[email protected]> wrote: > we are not devils. just people like you. history is history. poland was > key to europe. now we all live in peace. > > On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 21:03 +0200, Jędrzej Nowak wrote: >> What the hell are you taliking about? That's a LOGO of a project... >> what the hell it has to the "murdered/force-relocated" peoples ? >> Mate... first think, then write. I'm from Poland. Yes this is country >> which was even removed from the world map (by Germans, and Russians >> mostly). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland . Russians >> during the world wars killed most of our intelligence, army generals >> etc. Do I have something "about" it to the Germans / Russians ? Nope. >> There was even http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyfikacja_na_ziemiach_polskich >> . So please don't say "shit" about 'coultures' etc. >> >> Btw. The new OpenSolaris fork is called OpenIndiana => here you have >> their mailing lists: >> http://openindiana.org/getting-involved/mailing-list/ >> >> Greetings, >> Jędrzej Nowak >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Zachary Krebs <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I will be posting this thread elsewhere and let the greater FOSS world >> > decide on this topic, because its clear that the community here is not open >> > to the idea. >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Zachary Krebs >> > >> > Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> > Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I would like to second this. At this point it's become spam. The author of >> >> this post is effectively trolling by posting off-topic in what seems to be >> >> nothing more than an attempt to incite conflict. They ignore rebuttals and >> >> carry on with poorly construed pedantic platitudes. The only aim of which >> >> can be concluded to be perpetuation of conflict. >> >> On Oct 8, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Péter, Donka wrote: >> >> >> >> Enough of this offtopic spam. You cant do better things but flood a >> >> technical mailing list this foolish thing? Man.. this is awful! >> >> >> >> 2010.10.08. 19:39 keltezéssel, Zachary Krebs írta: >> >> >> >> Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD product >> >> is culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code, and how the >> >> product works, then why is this such a big issue that can not be reflected >> >> on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review it and see if there >> >> is >> >> anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy to move on and ignore such >> >> things, but there is now a pattern of web-server products using this kind >> >> of >> >> consciousness. Its constructive to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps >> >> the people involved in the project have not fully considered the >> >> implications of their actions. Or rather, you do not choose to look at >> >> them >> >> because you do not value the perspective that it could be considered >> >> offensive to someone. Being sensitive to how other people think/feel means >> >> forgoing your own logical ability for a moment, and understanding their >> >> place. Obviously the product does not make any reference to the cultural >> >> heritage of the Cherokee people. Then, logically, there is no need to >> >> represent the people by using their name or a caricature of their people? >> >> If >> >> you ignore this logic, then there might be a flaw in the whole concept of >> >> using "logic" to streamroll through these issues. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Zachary Krebs >> >> >> >> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> >> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on constructive >> >>> rather than destructive activities. >> >>> Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural >> >>> identity of the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground to >> >>> stand >> >>> on. But they don't, never have, and most likely never will. You're >> >>> trying to >> >>> create an issue where there isn't one, choosing to take offense to >> >>> something >> >>> in illogical way by using logical fallacies and misleading >> >>> rationalizations. >> >>> Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you feel, >> >>> to consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only you can make >> >>> the >> >>> choice to react to something, you have only yourself to hold >> >>> accountable, no >> >>> one else. >> >>> >> >>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I can see that there is very little receptivity around this topic. That >> >>> is fine. I would suggest that instead of using your brain like a hammer >> >>> to >> >>> approach every issue, consider how this might feel to someone. As we have >> >>> also learned, the mind is not the only source of intelligence. Looking at >> >>> things with open perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, >> >>> without defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support >> >>> something, >> >>> but its harder to understand and trust others. >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Zachary Krebs >> >>> >> >>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> >>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we have well >> >>>> learned by now, a symbol is not the object it represents. However you're >> >>>> attempting to assert the representation is the object and is therefore >> >>>> objectionable, this is a logical fallacy. >> >>>> If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your time and >> >>>> energy enriching that culture rather than detracting from relatively >> >>>> unrelated software projects which neither detract from nor otherwise >> >>>> frame >> >>>> native ethnography. >> >>>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Please consider removing it or changing it. For some context, there is a >> >>>> huge dispute in N. America about people using Native American >> >>>> symbols/logos/caricatures in popular culture to demean or otherwise >> >>>> insinuate that indigenous people are fast, quirky, half-witted, >> >>>> lesser-than, >> >>>> etc. The entire idea of naming web servers after Native People (for no >> >>>> reason) and then having logos from their cultural background makes >> >>>> little >> >>>> sense. Perhaps you could consider redesigning your logo to use something >> >>>> other than a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the Hiawatha >> >>>> forum, >> >>>> which has a similar issue. >> >>>> http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686 >> >>>> >> >>>> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> >>>> Zachary Krebs >> >>>> >> >>>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> >>>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Cherokee mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Cherokee mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Cherokee mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Cherokee mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Üdvözlettel >> >> Donka Péter >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Cherokee mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Cherokee mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cherokee mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > > -- > > Vladimir Smagin > http://blindage.org > http://acer-e110.net > > _______________________________________________ > Cherokee mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > > _______________________________________________ Cherokee mailing list [email protected] http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee
