"Good luck." On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Zachary Krebs <[email protected]> wrote:
> I will be posting this thread elsewhere and let the greater FOSS world > decide on this topic, because its clear that the community here is not open > to the idea. > > Sincerely, > > Zachary Krebs > > Voice:(541) 708-1163 > Skype: ZacharyKrebs > > > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would like to second this. At this point it's become spam. The author of >> this post is effectively trolling by posting off-topic in what seems to be >> nothing more than an attempt to incite conflict. They ignore rebuttals and >> carry on with poorly construed pedantic platitudes. The only aim of which >> can be concluded to be perpetuation of conflict. >> >> On Oct 8, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Péter, Donka wrote: >> >> Enough of this offtopic spam. You cant do better things but flood a >> technical mailing list this foolish thing? Man.. this is awful! >> >> 2010.10.08. 19:39 keltezéssel, Zachary Krebs írta: >> >> Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD product >> is culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code, and how the >> product works, then why is this such a big issue that can not be reflected >> on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review it and see if there is >> anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy to move on and ignore such >> things, but there is now a pattern of web-server products using this kind of >> consciousness. Its constructive to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps >> the people involved in the project have not fully considered the >> implications of their actions. Or rather, you do not choose to look at them >> because you do not value the perspective that it could be considered >> offensive to someone. Being sensitive to how other people think/feel means >> forgoing your own logical ability for a moment, and understanding their >> place. Obviously the product does not make any reference to the cultural >> heritage of the Cherokee people. Then, logically, there is no need to >> represent the people by using their name or a caricature of their people? If >> you ignore this logic, then there might be a flaw in the whole concept of >> using "logic" to streamroll through these issues. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zachary Krebs >> >> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on constructive >>> rather than destructive activities. >>> >>> Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural >>> identity of the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground to stand >>> on. But they don't, never have, and most likely never will. You're trying to >>> create an issue where there isn't one, choosing to take offense to something >>> in illogical way by using logical fallacies and misleading rationalizations. >>> >>> Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you feel, >>> to consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only you can make the >>> choice to react to something, you have only yourself to hold accountable, no >>> one else. >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >>> >>> I can see that there is very little receptivity around this topic. That >>> is fine. I would suggest that instead of using your brain like a hammer to >>> approach every issue, consider how this might* feel *to someone. As we >>> have also learned, the mind is not the only source of intelligence. Looking >>> at things with open perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, >>> without defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support something, >>> but its harder to understand and trust others. >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Zachary Krebs >>> >>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we have well >>>> learned by now, a symbol is not the object it represents. However you're >>>> attempting to assert the representation is the object and is therefore >>>> objectionable, this is a logical fallacy. >>>> >>>> If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your time and >>>> energy enriching that culture rather than detracting from relatively >>>> unrelated software projects which neither detract from nor otherwise frame >>>> native ethnography. >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >>>> >>>> Please consider removing it or changing it. For some context, there >>>> is a huge dispute in N. America about people using Native American >>>> symbols/logos/caricatures in popular culture to demean or otherwise >>>> insinuate that indigenous people are fast, quirky, half-witted, >>>> lesser-than, >>>> etc. The entire idea of naming web servers after Native People (for no >>>> reason) and then having logos from their cultural background makes little >>>> sense. Perhaps you could consider redesigning your logo to use something >>>> other than a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the Hiawatha >>>> forum, >>>> which has a similar issue. >>>> >>>> http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686 >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Zachary Krebs >>>> >>>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >>>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cherokee mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cherokee mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cherokee mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing >> [email protected]http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> -- >> Üdvözlettel >> Donka Péter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cherokee mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > > -- Serg Smirnov email/xmpp: [email protected] skype: serg-smirnoff
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