Butcher it yourself, it's not hard. I can do it and it saves time and any peices that get dropped the dogs will love u for it.. Oh, I have breeder friends all across the country, so i may know some who can help you out. Thanks, Michele in WV
________________________________ From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:40:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet i wish i was you!!... my daughters boyfriend is bagging me a deer this season!! and he also has beef... but i havnt gone to him yet for it.. ill have to only pay for the butchering !! good deal darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet >To: [email protected] >Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:24 PM > > > >Another question, what if I have a whole slew of deer meat and liver in the >freezer from previous hunting seasons? Do y'all have any local farmers that >you >can buy freshly butchered chickens, rabbits, cattle.. etc that you trust to >buy >from? I know that if I want a beef I can talk to one of my neighbors and >request >no hormones antibiotics etc.. and even buy the feed, since I don't have my >fence >run yet & it takes alot to fence in 56 acres..lol. They will raise one for me >as I request. Do any of you have that opportunity? > >Thanks, >Michele in WV > > > > > ________________________________ From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:06:27 PM >Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet > > >great question... my friend and i formed a co-op in a tri-state area for meat >buying in bulk.. we only choose places that have nothing added to the meat... >no >flavor enhancers etc... no salt. > >im not up tp screening the animal growers yet but hey ill get there lol... btw >we buy out people meats there too its whole sale as we are up to buying 800lbs >per trip!! raw feeding is getting huge... >darcy >--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:59 PM >> >> >> >>I have a thought, and a question at the same time. Could the hormones and >>antibiotic and growth hormones that alot of meat producers inject their >>animals >>with be causing some dogs to have bad reactions, like the ones that Aime's >>friend experienced? The reason I ask this is because I have no issue >>whatsoever >>raising my dogs meat. My husband and I hunt and I can raise the heck out of >>rabbits and if you research it tame rabbit meat is sooooo much better for >>human >>consumption than chicken. There is hardly NO FAT on rabbit meat if you grow >>them >>out right. >>The reason I asked about the growth hormones and such is because look at what >>it >>does to humans. Our children are maturing wwwaaaayyyy too fast. My 10 year >>old >>has the body of a normal 13 or 14 year old. >>Just a question, what do y'all think. I know I'm new and all but it just >>dawned >>on me and I thought I'd ask. >> >>Thanks, >>Michele in WV >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 9:45:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet >> >> >>joyce, >>dry food requires so much water just to not dehydrate the dog... it swells in >>the gut as it would in water . it sticks t teeth rotting them early... >>causing >>heart disease. .. my 13 yr old tiny toy poodle had bad teeth, heart, and >>knee... >>i only started feeding raw about 8 weeks before i had to put her down ... >>even >>with rotting teeth and all her health issues including blindness, she >>devoured >>whole thighs like she found the fountain of youth... ill forever regret not >>feeding her raw from puppy hood... yea she was 13. but had every health issue >>a >>toy can have.. her diet was the reason... and i never fed junk or cheap >>kibble >>either. but compared to real meat it IS junk ... I'm sorry to offend anyone >>but >>its the difference between french fries and broccoli... both are eatable. >>some >>man invented the kibble idea... it took off as a "better way" ..... the proof >>is >>in the product and in the dogs .... k-9 disease is up in all areas... 30 yrs >>ago >>there was not a need to vet for most of what is plaguing out pets today. pick >>up >>any kibble and you will find corn, beets, grains, fillers by products, >>renderings ...omg... feathers, hooves, chicken feet , beaks....ugh... no >>wonder >>Fido's hair is falling out and his breath smells like death , and he has >>yeast >>and demodex!! and heart disease , no teeth and kidney and liver failure!... >>YOU >>ARE WHAT YOU EAT!! its true! read your kibble bags people lol... getting off >>my >>soap box now ... crawling back into my crate ... >>Darcy >> >>--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 9:21 PM >>> >>> >>> >>>That they all do...LOL...Some are very set in there way's dry dry dry...But >>>you >>>know I see changes in the dog's and I can't say I am impressed with them >>>all..Mine have never been fed can food occasional table scrap now and then >>>there >>>teeth become an issue..I have several between the ages of 12/14 and I worry >>>about them on kibble that there not getting enough because of there gums >>>etc..2 >>>of my oldest girls came from a breeder who is adimant that the switch to RAW >>>is >>>no good...One girl has a heart issues and the other is aging...My old boy >>>who is >>>12 out lived his brother who we lost 4 years ago and now I have his son who >>>I >>>worry constantly over..since we lost skippy at an early age..I am open to >>>learn >>>about better things for my fur kids just as I am about breeding... >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>well it takes a very long time to make change... i just know once a raw >>>>plan is >>>>established and the dog has been given enough time to properly adjust i >>>>know of >>>>no one who has gone back to kibble...and im on 3 very busy boards. ... you >>>>let >>>>me know if anyone poses a question you want help to answer =)~... >>>>darcy >>>> >>>> >>>>--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 6:30 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Like I said I am going to try and figure out the cost to feed my gang...I >>>>>asked >>>>>about this amongst my own group and the breeders there and there is more >>>>>CON >>>>>then there is Pro but from seeing how the dogs go up and down at times and >>>>>how >>>>>much waste they create...I am willing to try.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>you have gotten great advice... id just add..... use your liver and bone >>>>>>content >>>>>>to adjust the elimination consistancy of the dogs... too hard add more >>>>>>liver too >>>>>>soft add more bone... >>>>>>darcy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- On Fri, 8/20/10, dasha <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: dasha <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:13 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well you know breast fed babies don't eat as much at a single feeding as >>>>>>>bottle >>>>>>>fed babies. And it is harder to gauge how much they have had. I have >>>>>>>done both >>>>>>>and putting a breast fed baby on a schedule never made any sense to me >>>>>>>at all. >>>>>>>Sometimes the more people learn, the more complicated things become. >>>>>>>Simple can >>>>>>>really be better. Plus what goes around usually comes around >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sheila >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:31 PM >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I had so many friends that got on me for demand feeding Dasha...they >>>>>>>thought I >>>>>>>was nuts...but ya have to remember that was 25 years ago! People have >>>>>>>learned a >>>>>>>lot since then...or should I say "unlearned"...sometimes the old simple >>>>>>>ways are >>>>>>>the best...just like we are un-learning with our dogs as well! >>>>>>> Hugs In Him, >>>>>>>Deanna >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And the Corey Crew: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 >>>>>>>Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 >>>>>>>Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mom to Fur babies: >>>>>>>Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, >>>>>>>Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, >>>>>>>Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 >>>>>>>Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, >>>>>>>Myrtle May (Chihuahua) >>>>>>>and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double >>>>>>>Yellow >>>>>>>Headed Amazon) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ From: dasha <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:22:28 AM >>>>>>>Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I could not imagine feeding a breast fed baby on a schedule. That seems >>>>>>>like >>>>>>>more hassle than it is worth cause breast fed babies eat differently >>>>>>>than the >>>>>>>bottle fed ones.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:16 PM >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Joyce...I needed to add something I forgot...with mine under 6 months I >>>>>>>feed >>>>>>>till they are full...I don't weigh everything out. I know many would >>>>>>>disagree >>>>>>>with this but puppies should not be regulated in my opinion...and I feed >>>>>>>anyone >>>>>>>under a year 3 times a day not two...especially tiny Chi's. BUT i am >>>>>>>also the >>>>>>>nut who breast fed my babies on demand when they wanted it...not >>>>>>>scheduled LOL! >>>>>>> Hugs In Him, >>>>>>>Deanna >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And the Corey Crew: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 >>>>>>>Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 >>>>>>>Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mom to Fur babies: >>>>>>>Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, >>>>>>>Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, >>>>>>>Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 >>>>>>>Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, >>>>>>>Myrtle May (Chihuahua) >>>>>>>and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double >>>>>>>Yellow >>>>>>>Headed Amazon) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 10:56:20 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks Deanna I have fed them meats before but not raw...I know a no no >>>>>>>LOL..1.2 >>>>>>>oz seems like nothing per dog but maybe being raw is the difference..I >>>>>>>will have >>>>>>>to look at the grinder as well...and other then the egg shells is there >>>>>>>anything >>>>>>>else I add to it?? In my group so many are against the RAW diet but I >>>>>>>think >>>>>>>several have had issues with dry food and diets lately.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Deanna Corey <[email protected]> >>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Joyce, >>>>>>>>Lets say each Chi weighs an average of 5lbs. ...you say you have >>>>>>>>10...that is >>>>>>>>50lbs of dog you need to feed. Each dog needs 3% of their body weight >>>>>>>>in food >>>>>>>>each day...so for 10, 5lbs dogs that would be 24 ounces each day for 10 >>>>>>>>dogs OR >>>>>>>>roughly 1and 1/2 lbs of food total a day...I would round it up to 2lbs >>>>>>>>each day >>>>>>>>to be safe. I might use the left over for treats or to have some first >>>>>>>>thing in >>>>>>>>the morning. I would divide each meal into 2 servings of 1.2 oz each >>>>>>>>and feed >>>>>>>>one in the morning and one in the early evening. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I would start Chi's on chicken breast as it is the easiest meat to >>>>>>>>digest. The >>>>>>>>dark meat has more fat so a little harder to digest. I would remove the >>>>>>>>skin of >>>>>>>>the breasts and I would throw them into the grinder and feed ground. No >>>>>>>>worries >>>>>>>>about bone splinters with the little guys and they will still get the >>>>>>>>nutrients >>>>>>>>from the bone. Then after I had them use to the breasts for awhile I >>>>>>>>would add >>>>>>>>in other meats...dark meat, lamb, lean beef, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you do not have a grinder then what I would do is to still start >>>>>>>>with the >>>>>>>>breasts and chop the meat with a knife into appropriate size Chi >>>>>>>>chunks. Then I >>>>>>>>would take a few dry eggs shells from my breakfast and pulverize them >>>>>>>>either in >>>>>>>>a little electric coffee grinder, a mixing wand or a little >>>>>>>>pestal/mortar type >>>>>>>>thing and add 1 tsp of the egg shell per 1 lb of meat to my breast >>>>>>>>chunks to >>>>>>>>make up for the calcium loss from no bone until I could get a grinder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you want a grinder...the best I have found is the maverick...$99 >>>>>>>>through >>>>>>>>www.pierceequipment.com >>>>>>>>then put 575 Watt MM5501 Meat Food Grinder- >>>>>>>>in the search bar at the sight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here are all the ratios you will need in the future: >>>>>>>>1.Dogs need 3% of their DESIRED body weight each day...as a general rule >>>>>>>>2. To find 3%...take the weight of your dog (we will use 5 lbs for >>>>>>>>example here) >>>>>>>>and multiply that weight by 16 >>>>>>>>5lbs x 16=80 80= ounces your dog weighs >>>>>>>>now divide 80 by 3%= 2.4 oz. Each 5lb dog needs 2.4 oz of food each >>>>>>>>day. Use a >>>>>>>>calculator and punch in...in this order: >>>>>>>>80 >>>>>>>>/ >>>>>>>>3 >>>>>>>>% >>>>>>>>This formula will be different if your dog weighs more or less than 5 >>>>>>>>lbs...but >>>>>>>>whatever your dogs weight??? Just multiply by 16 to get your dogs >>>>>>>>weight in >>>>>>>>ounces...only the number 80 will change in the formula...then you will >>>>>>>>have the >>>>>>>>amount of OUNCES of food each dog needs to have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>3. Dogs need a mix of 85% meat, 10% bone and 5% organ (liver, kidney) >>>>>>>>(don't >>>>>>>>feed organ meats daily) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hugs In Him, >>>>>>>>Deanna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And the Corey Crew: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 >>>>>>>>Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 >>>>>>>>Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mom to Fur babies: >>>>>>>>Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, >>>>>>>>Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, >>>>>>>>Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 >>>>>>>>Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, >>>>>>>>Myrtle May (Chihuahua) >>>>>>>>and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double >>>>>>>>Yellow >>>>>>>>Headed Amazon) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 9:40:54 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Darcy and those who feed?? Ok say for every 10 dogs one may have.. all >>>>>>>>chi's how >>>>>>>>much food would you make at a time and and do you have Recipes you go >>>>>>>>by?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>Joyce >>>>>>>>www.mtnviewchis.webs.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Joyce >>>>>>>www.mtnviewchis.webs.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Joyce >>>>>www.mtnviewchis.webs.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Joyce >>>www.mtnviewchis.webs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
