omg it took a very long time for me to handle meats ... i am never going to be able to butcher... i dont even eat meat myself! well none for 30 years and now i eat chicken and fish... still no beef and pork. ... at best ill cut up meats but no hair and eyes and toungue and brains and gut andd ... ugh ... darcy
--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:48 PM Butcher it yourself, it's not hard. I can do it and it saves time and any peices that get dropped the dogs will love u for it.. Oh, I have breeder friends all across the country, so i may know some who can help you out. Thanks, Michele in WV From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:40:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet i wish i was you!!... my daughters boyfriend is bagging me a deer this season!! and he also has beef... but i havnt gone to him yet for it.. ill have to only pay for the butchering !! good deal darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:24 PM Another question, what if I have a whole slew of deer meat and liver in the freezer from previous hunting seasons? Do y'all have any local farmers that you can buy freshly butchered chickens, rabbits, cattle.. etc that you trust to buy from? I know that if I want a beef I can talk to one of my neighbors and request no hormones antibiotics etc.. and even buy the feed, since I don't have my fence run yet & it takes alot to fence in 56 acres..lol. They will raise one for me as I request. Do any of you have that opportunity? Thanks, Michele in WV From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:06:27 PM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet great question... my friend and i formed a co-op in a tri-state area for meat buying in bulk.. we only choose places that have nothing added to the meat... no flavor enhancers etc... no salt. im not up tp screening the animal growers yet but hey ill get there lol... btw we buy out people meats there too its whole sale as we are up to buying 800lbs per trip!! raw feeding is getting huge... darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Michele Sinnett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:59 PM I have a thought, and a question at the same time. Could the hormones and antibiotic and growth hormones that alot of meat producers inject their animals with be causing some dogs to have bad reactions, like the ones that Aime's friend experienced? The reason I ask this is because I have no issue whatsoever raising my dogs meat. My husband and I hunt and I can raise the heck out of rabbits and if you research it tame rabbit meat is sooooo much better for human consumption than chicken. There is hardly NO FAT on rabbit meat if you grow them out right. The reason I asked about the growth hormones and such is because look at what it does to humans. Our children are maturing wwwaaaayyyy too fast. My 10 year old has the body of a normal 13 or 14 year old. Just a question, what do y'all think. I know I'm new and all but it just dawned on me and I thought I'd ask. Thanks, Michele in WV From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 9:45:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] joyce...Raw diet joyce, dry food requires so much water just to not dehydrate the dog... it swells in the gut as it would in water . it sticks t teeth rotting them early... causing heart disease. .. my 13 yr old tiny toy poodle had bad teeth, heart, and knee... i only started feeding raw about 8 weeks before i had to put her down ... even with rotting teeth and all her health issues including blindness, she devoured whole thighs like she found the fountain of youth... ill forever regret not feeding her raw from puppy hood... yea she was 13. but had every health issue a toy can have.. her diet was the reason... and i never fed junk or cheap kibble either. but compared to real meat it IS junk ... I'm sorry to offend anyone but its the difference between french fries and broccoli... both are eatable. some man invented the kibble idea... it took off as a "better way" ..... the proof is in the product and in the dogs .... k-9 disease is up in all areas... 30 yrs ago there was not a need to vet for most of what is plaguing out pets today. pick up any kibble and you will find corn, beets, grains, fillers by products, renderings ...omg... feathers, hooves, chicken feet , beaks....ugh... no wonder Fido's hair is falling out and his breath smells like death , and he has yeast and demodex!! and heart disease , no teeth and kidney and liver failure!... YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT!! its true! read your kibble bags people lol... getting off my soap box now ... crawling back into my crate ... Darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 9:21 PM That they all do...LOL...Some are very set in there way's dry dry dry...But you know I see changes in the dog's and I can't say I am impressed with them all..Mine have never been fed can food occasional table scrap now and then there teeth become an issue..I have several between the ages of 12/14 and I worry about them on kibble that there not getting enough because of there gums etc..2 of my oldest girls came from a breeder who is adimant that the switch to RAW is no good...One girl has a heart issues and the other is aging...My old boy who is 12 out lived his brother who we lost 4 years ago and now I have his son who I worry constantly over..since we lost skippy at an early age..I am open to learn about better things for my fur kids just as I am about breeding... On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: well it takes a very long time to make change... i just know once a raw plan is established and the dog has been given enough time to properly adjust i know of no one who has gone back to kibble...and im on 3 very busy boards. ... you let me know if anyone poses a question you want help to answer =)~... darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 6:30 PM Like I said I am going to try and figure out the cost to feed my gang...I asked about this amongst my own group and the breeders there and there is more CON then there is Pro but from seeing how the dogs go up and down at times and how much waste they create...I am willing to try.. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: you have gotten great advice... id just add..... use your liver and bone content to adjust the elimination consistancy of the dogs... too hard add more liver too soft add more bone... darcy --- On Fri, 8/20/10, dasha <[email protected]> wrote: From: dasha <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:13 PM Well you know breast fed babies don't eat as much at a single feeding as bottle fed babies. And it is harder to gauge how much they have had. I have done both and putting a breast fed baby on a schedule never made any sense to me at all. Sometimes the more people learn, the more complicated things become. Simple can really be better. Plus what goes around usually comes around Sheila From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet I had so many friends that got on me for demand feeding Dasha...they thought I was nuts...but ya have to remember that was 25 years ago! People have learned a lot since then...or should I say "unlearned"...sometimes the old simple ways are the best...just like we are un-learning with our dogs as well! Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 From: dasha <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:22:28 AM Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet I could not imagine feeding a breast fed baby on a schedule. That seems like more hassle than it is worth cause breast fed babies eat differently than the bottle fed ones.. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet Joyce...I needed to add something I forgot...with mine under 6 months I feed till they are full...I don't weigh everything out. I know many would disagree with this but puppies should not be regulated in my opinion...and I feed anyone under a year 3 times a day not two...especially tiny Chi's. BUT i am also the nut who breast fed my babies on demand when they wanted it...not scheduled LOL! Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 10:56:20 AM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet Thanks Deanna I have fed them meats before but not raw...I know a no no LOL..1.2 oz seems like nothing per dog but maybe being raw is the difference..I will have to look at the grinder as well...and other then the egg shells is there anything else I add to it?? In my group so many are against the RAW diet but I think several have had issues with dry food and diets lately.. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Deanna Corey <[email protected]> wrote: Joyce, Lets say each Chi weighs an average of 5lbs. ...you say you have 10...that is 50lbs of dog you need to feed. Each dog needs 3% of their body weight in food each day...so for 10, 5lbs dogs that would be 24 ounces each day for 10 dogs OR roughly 1and 1/2 lbs of food total a day...I would round it up to 2lbs each day to be safe. I might use the left over for treats or to have some first thing in the morning. I would divide each meal into 2 servings of 1.2 oz each and feed one in the morning and one in the early evening. I would start Chi's on chicken breast as it is the easiest meat to digest. The dark meat has more fat so a little harder to digest. I would remove the skin of the breasts and I would throw them into the grinder and feed ground. No worries about bone splinters with the little guys and they will still get the nutrients from the bone. Then after I had them use to the breasts for awhile I would add in other meats...dark meat, lamb, lean beef, etc. If you do not have a grinder then what I would do is to still start with the breasts and chop the meat with a knife into appropriate size Chi chunks. Then I would take a few dry eggs shells from my breakfast and pulverize them either in a little electric coffee grinder, a mixing wand or a little pestal/mortar type thing and add 1 tsp of the egg shell per 1 lb of meat to my breast chunks to make up for the calcium loss from no bone until I could get a grinder. If you want a grinder...the best I have found is the maverick...$99 through www.pierceequipment.com then put 575 Watt MM5501 Meat Food Grinder- in the search bar at the sight. Here are all the ratios you will need in the future: 1.Dogs need 3% of their DESIRED body weight each day...as a general rule 2. To find 3%...take the weight of your dog (we will use 5 lbs for example here) and multiply that weight by 16 5lbs x 16=80 80= ounces your dog weighs now divide 80 by 3%= 2.4 oz. Each 5lb dog needs 2.4 oz of food each day. Use a calculator and punch in...in this order: 80 / 3 % This formula will be different if your dog weighs more or less than 5 lbs...but whatever your dogs weight??? Just multiply by 16 to get your dogs weight in ounces...only the number 80 will change in the formula...then you will have the amount of OUNCES of food each dog needs to have. 3. Dogs need a mix of 85% meat, 10% bone and 5% organ (liver, kidney) (don't feed organ meats daily) Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 From: Joyce mccarthy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 9:40:54 AM Subject: [Chihuahuas] Raw diet Darcy and those who feed?? Ok say for every 10 dogs one may have.. all chi's how much food would you make at a time and and do you have Recipes you go by?? -- Joyce www.mtnviewchis.webs.com -- Joyce www.mtnviewchis.webs.com -- Joyce www.mtnviewchis.webs.com -- Joyce www.mtnviewchis.webs.com
