Oooops...I am sorry....I thought I typed Angela.... Wagging Tails in the Dog Park! Deanna and the Dog Park Gang: Nugget, Shuai Li, Mable, Mouse, Myrtle, Madison, Caleb and Maxine >From the mountains of CA
http://swlf.lilyslim.com/v3T7m8.png?h9j6wId9 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Deanna Corey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Amanda, > > Here is my take on feeding dogs and again..this is just my opinion. I can > share with you that I have spent years studying this topic...so this opinion > for me came after a lot of work and a lot of experimentation. > > First...I believe dogs are carnivores...they need meat...their systems are > designed to handle meat and some plant material if broken down. They do not > need grains and I believe with all my heart that so very many of the health > issues we see in our dogs today are a direct result of their systems trying > to deal with grains. > > Second I believe that the least processing of any food...either for us or for > our pets is the best option. When you cook meats for dogs you are losing one > of the most necessary of ingredients for canines...enzymes. You are > destroying so many of the nutrients as well. Dogs digestive tracks were > designed 100 % to handle raw meat. > > Next, I believe feeding should be natural, simple and easy to do. Once you > know what they really need it is so very simple. I use to spend hours each > week in my kitchen cooking what I believed then was the best options for my > dogs...as much as I enjoyed that part of pet ownership I really was wasting > much of my efforts on processing that which was in direct opposition to what > my goals were. > > Now I feed raw. It is easy...it is cheaper than a good dog food...it is > quick...and my dogs ....even though very healthy before, just > blossomed...coats, teeth, breath, stools, energy etc....all improved > dramatically. > > They need 75% raw, meat > They need 10%-15% edible bone...either ground or fed whole > They need 10% organs...liver, kidney etc. > They need 5 %... or should I say it isn't detrimental to give them 5% plant > material...ie fruits and veggies. These need to be broken down in a blender > or food processor as a dogs digestive track is short and has acids designed > to break down meat...not plant. Some vegetables are better fed lightly cooked > as it brings out the nutrients...sweet potato, carrots, orange and yellow > veggies mostly. > > Many raw feeders feed whole pieces of chicken...such as legs, thighs breasts > etc. I do that as well for my guys that are big and are not gulpers. But for > my littles I feed those pieces ground...bones and all. I bought a little 99$ > grinder that grinds through chickens like butter...I buy whole chickens, skin > much of it and grind all of it including all the organs. A whole chicken > almost exactly meets the ratios listed above. I also feed beef ribs, ox > tails, venison, rabbit, etc. I only grind chicken as I myself worry about > splintering bone. The other meats don't splinter and raw, meaty bones are > safe. > > If you consider that I can buy a whole chicken for .77 cents a lb...and there > is about 3 ounces of skin waste...that's pretty cheap dog food. I do spend > more on the other meats...but I average under $2.00 a lb...I am fine with > that. Because there is no waste...they process almost all of what they are > fed in this manner...they actually eat less than a kibble or canned food > where over 3/4 of it is filler. Their stools are significantly different than > a dog eating kibble or any other food. Stools are almost like formed > ash...odor is absent...and usually just once or twice a day. > > I give my guys pieces of apple or ground carrots or dried yams as treats. The > only other treats they get are lamb lung or dried liver. > > Once you get use to this way of feeding it is so very, very simple. You will > be amazed at the results. I promise you you will never go back to any other > method. Sometimes it takes your dog awhile to see this method as food...but > once they do?? It is simply the best! > > There is no possible way a commercial dog food company can do anything even > close to something as good as this... > There are a few decent kibbles out there...grain free. Taste of the Wild, > Orijen, to name the only two I think are worthy of mentioning...but you can > do better in your kitchen. You can do it cheaper...and you can control > quality. > > These are just the conclusions I have come to...it works amazingly well and I > am thrilled beyond words with the results. Many of my friends have made the > switch as well and are just as happy as I am. Some have had even more > dramatic results as they had serious issues in some cases...what a blessing > to see what a simple diet change can do. I can also share with you that this > diet change dramatically affected the seizures in my poodle Nugget. He went > from 3-4 seizures a week to one a month. As long as he continues with this > method of eating his seizures remain controlled. If something changes...so do > they. > > There are so many amazing groups, websites etc on feeding raw...you may > really enjoy jumping in and learning all this stuff and reading everyones > experiences. > > Wagging Tails in the Dog Park! > Deanna and the Dog Park Gang: > Nugget, Shuai Li, Mable, Mouse, Myrtle, Madison, Caleb and Maxine > From the mountains of CA > > http://swlf.lilyslim.com/v3T7m8.png?h9j6wId9 > > On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Angela Mose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> So, I decided on Blue tonite at the pet store. Did I do okay for now? The >> very sad thing is I realized I spent $18 on a small bag of food and I balk >> at the idea of paying $2.89 lb for hamburger for my family's dinner. I think >> I just became one of "those people" I always told myself I'd never be. It's >> true, never say never, cause God's got an amazing sense of humor. >> Seriously, though, is it more cost effective/healthier if I just cooked for >> them? >> Peace, >> Angela Mose >> Pray, Hope and Don't Worry- St Padre Pio >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM, dasha <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Why wait till they are 7 months old? Just curious >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of ann banks >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:32 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Another question... >> >> I have always fed my chi's Science Diet Small Kibble for small puppies but >> will change them soon as they will soon be 7 months old. Time flies. >> >> Ann >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Deanna Corey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> For me I would not feed Royal Canin...chicken meal is not a clean source of >> protein as it is a rendered product...and as such dead,dying and diseased >> animals can be used... >> There are other ingredients I would not feel comfortable with. The second, >> third, and forth ingredients are rice, brown rice and oats...way too much >> grain content for me as well as chemicals instead of real food. Also the use >> of Rosemary has been questioned as it is a toxin...I would not ever feed >> royal Canin, especially to small dogs. There are so many other better foods >> out there. But this is just my opinion! >> Chicken meal, according to the Association of American Feed Control >> Officials (AAFCO), is the dry rendered product from a combination of clean >> chicken flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from whole >> carcasses of chicken, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails.[1] A >> meal in general is "an ingredient which has been ground or otherwise reduced >> in particle size."[2] >> >> Chicken meal is ground up chicken meat that has been carefully dried to a >> moisture level of 10%. The protein content is 65% and the fat level is 12%. >> Regular chicken contains about 70% water with 18% protein and 5% fat. To >> create chicken meal, ingredients are placed into large vats and cooked. [3] >> This rendering process not only separates fat and removes water to create a >> concentrated protein product, it also kills bacteria, viruses, parasites and >> other organisms. Because meat can be rid of infectious agents through the >> rendering process, “4D” animals (dead, dying, diseased or disabled) are >> allowable chicken meal ingredients. While not always present, the possible >> inclusion of these ingredients makes chicken meal always considered unfit >> for human consumption.[4] >> >> >> >> Ingredients for royal canin, chihuahua >> >> >> Chicken meal, rice, brown rice, oatmeal, soy protein isolate, chicken fat, >> natural chicken flavor, dried egg product, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), >> pea fiber, anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), potassium chloride, soya oil, >> sodium silico aluminate, fructo-oligosaccharides, sodium tripolyphosphate, >> DL-methionine, taurine, calcium carbonate, Vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol >> acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, >> L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, >> biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement >> (vitamin B2), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic >> acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], choline chloride, >> marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), Trace Minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc >> oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper >> sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], glucosamine >> hydrochloride, L-carnitine, tea (green tea extract), chondroitin sulfate, >> rosemary extract, preserved with natural mixed tocopherols (source of >> vitamin E) and citric acid. >> T >> >> Wagging Tails in the Dog Park! >> Deanna and the Dog Park Gang: >> Nugget, Shuai Li, Mable, Mouse, Myrtle, Madison, Caleb and Maxine >> From the mountains of CA >> >> http://swlf.lilyslim.com/v3T7m8.png?h9j6wId9 >> >> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Joan Croft <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Someone wrote earlier that Chihuahuas need puppy food longer than other >>> breeds. It is just the opposite. Chihuahuas can start adult food at 8 >>> months. The larger breeds need puppy food longer because their growing >>> stage is longer also. >>> >>> As I said, I feed Royal Canin Chihuahua…and I just looked at the bag and it >>> confirmed that is for Chihuahuas 8 months and older. Puppy food has a lot >>> of added calories and fat that puppies need to grow. If you keep your >>> Chihuahua on puppy food too long, you are not doing it any favors as the >>> added fat and calories can cause heart problems and joint problems later >>> in life. >>> >>> Desi was already a little ‘hefty’ as my vet said; the vet had me put him on >>> adult food at 4 months and it still took another 6 months to get the fat >>> off of him. He is doing well, has more energy than Dolly ever had and grew >>> well with the puppy food. Perhaps you should check with your vet to see >>> what he/she believes is the proper age to change the food to adult food. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Joan Croft >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:14 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Another question... >>> >>> >>> >>> I have Dolly & Desi on Royal Canin Chihuahua food. >>> >>> Royal Canin has a small puppy food also…I was feeding Desi that when he was >>> little. >>> >>> The only time that mine have stomach issues is when they are at someone >>> else’s house and eat the food that they have left out for their dogs. >>> >>> Dolly had serious colitis as a baby and so she was on Science Diet ID and a >>> little canned puppy food, but when she was old enough to be on adult food >>> and her stomach had been doing well, I put her on the RC. I knew that it >>> had a money back guarantee if she didn’t like it. >>> >>> Dolly loves it; Desi loves it….Desi loves anything that he can eat! >>> >>> My vet says that I shouldn’t change a thing because they are both doing so >>> well on it. The RC Chihuahua has everything that the Chihuahua needs…stuff >>> for their coats, their hearts, their more sensitive tummies, and for their >>> joints. >>> >>> I know others feed other food; but I just have to say that RC Chihuahua has >>> been excellent for my two. The kibble is very small also, and quite easy >>> to chew (although Desi refuses to chew his food!) >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Angela Mose >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:45 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Chihuahuas] Another question... >>> >>> >>> >>> I am wondering what would be the best diet to wean our new chis to? The >>> breeder starts them on Science Diet, then for some reason, she switches to >>> Puppy Chow. I think she said it was because some of her pups were have >>> stomach upset. I was thinking of using Royal Canin eventually, but I need >>> some input form you much more seasoned chi parents. I know that RC is very >>> expensive and I'm not sure if it is really the best diet for them or not. I >>> have read that because chis are so small that it is vital for them to get >>> as much useable nutrition as possible for their small stomachs. I also have >>> read that they need frequent small meals, but I'm not sure about free >>> choice feeding because I do want to be able to housebreak them. Any >>> pratical guidance would be appreciated, as I want to get off on the best >>> foot possible. See, my big dog is very low maintance. The only thing he can >>> eat is a lamb and rice diet because anything else just runs through him, >>> especially the food he steals off of the 3 yr old's plate. You'd think that >>> after eight years he would realize that food in bowl good, food not in >>> bowl, bad. Oh, well. At least he (big Alex) is a rescue dog. I would have >>> liked to adopt a chihuahua, but, they are scarce around here. >>> >>> Thank you so much for all of the help allready. >>> >>> Peace and Blessings to you all, >>> >>> Angela M >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ann >> >> >> > >
