One small point. One of Montreal's most popular and trendiest nightclubs is a spot called "Sir Winston Churchill's Pub" named for no other reason, I think, than the founder admired Winston Churchill. Certainly there is nothing inside the huge 3 floor to remind you of Churchill except for the Logo.
It's nice to see his name proudly waved about in a place that can have occasional flare-ups of Anglophobia. Paul Sparling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Sandys" <[email protected]> To: "ChurchillChat" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: [Bulk] [ChurchillChat] Re: "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" Ok... Firstly, did you enter the establishment because they offered food and/ or drink, or did you go in because it had 'Churchill' in its name? If your answer is the former, I'm assuming that their taps weren't dry and therefore they successfully managed to fulfill their main purpose. It's a pub! It bears the name 'Churchill', not because Winston Churchill was there, not because he's a money spinner, not even because he is alive and well and living in there. Strangely enough, The Churchill Arms is a pub, a place for a drink, not a museum. It's like having a pub called The Venison Arms, they won't have venison on their menu, it's illegal, they probably won't have loads of deer heads hanging from their walls, or indeed have a deer or doe in their gardens, but, they might just sell food and/or drink. I suggest you write a book complaining about all the pubs that bear the names of things that you consider don't meet the naming specification. I wonder if there is anything in France that might be considered misleading and potentially a 'lure to unwary overseas customers'. Hmmm, interesting question. If however, your answer was that you entered because of the name, you will find there are posters of Churchill around and indeed several items of memorabilia. If you expected more then you should have asked the landlord if his display concluded his collection. Sorry for your disappointment. Secondly, 'Churchill' is very much the property of the British People and all those countries that courageously fought for freedom and were prepared to continue the war, whatever the cost would be. Winston Churchill is a name that must NEVER be forgotten. With the legacy of Winston Churchill comes the reminder of how close we were to sinking into an abyss of tyranny. I am proud that people are using the name for their organisations, etc. As long as they use it, Churchill will be remembered. Even the BNP had the right to use the name, they just don't have the right to abuse it or make Churchill out to be something that he was not. I run a not-for-profit organisation in the name of Sir Winston Churchill, I run it with pride and use his name to teach others about the importance of his morals, values and leadership skills. I use the Foundation to promote the importance of education and determination. I use the name of a great man to do good within the world. And, I'm sorry, but unless you are a British Citizen, you have no right to be 'irritated'. I am his Great-Grandson, I have more right that you will ever have, and I can tell you, I am proud every time someone chooses to use the name of Sir Winston Churchill, because every time, it ensures the memory is kept alive. Don't be so narrow minded. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but, as you clearly didn't approach the landlord with questions about a collection, (one I have seen and know from experience exists), then I suggest you check your facts as to why the things that are displayed are so, and why the landlord is unable to display more Churchillian memorabilia. I hope this reply draws this pointless critic of the Churchill Arms, to a close. Jonathan Sandys President and Founder Churchill's Britain Foundation On Nov 8, 2:11 pm, "Antoine Capet" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear anonymous correspondent writing from a Verizon Wireless BlackBerry*, > > Everyone is entitled to his opinion, and you are perfectly justified in > believing that the "Thai" pub in question is pursuing a worthy cause. > > Mine however, after giving them some of my hard-won money to buy a pint > there, is that the victuallers are only using Churchill's name to lure > unwary overseas customers. If they have interesting Churchill memorabilia > to > show, they conceal them so well in the useless junk which fills their pub > that I was unable to identify any in spite of my best efforts. > > I am rather irritated that so many commercial undertakings only very > remotely connected with him - if at all - should use Churchill's name to > make money from bona fide admirers of the great man. > > Best wishes, > > A.C. > > *Excellent advertising by the way - except that I have no clue what a > Verizon Wireless BlackBerry is and do not want to know. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:47 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" > > > I'm sorry, but you are completely in correct in what you have said. > > > The chamber pots are nothing to do with Churchill, but they are > > something > > they have collected. As for the Churchill memorabilia, clearly you don't > > know the pub well, (no offense), but have you ever been there at a WSC > > event? > > > With regard to the food choice, I agree that the menu needs to have > > English food as well as anything else they decide to offer, however, I > > understand that in that particular area, Thai food is what is demanded > > most. > > > Please, don't insult a place without looking into it more. How would you > > like it if people decided to insult you because you incorporated a > > worthy > > hero of yours in your place of business, but due to overwhelming demand, > > you needed to adjust to keep the reminder alive of a great man and a > > great > > time in history when those who fought and stood ground against Germany, > > against all odds and alone for a year, determined a future that many > > today > > take for granted? > > > I suggest you contact the Landlord directly and ask to see the > > memorabilia > > that he has collected and displays where possible. > > > Thank you. > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Antoine Capet" <[email protected]> > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:04:51 > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: [ChurchillChat] "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" > > > Dear Anthony, > > > What Churchill would have been doing so far from his usual haunts is > > difficult to imagine. > > > I went to that pub a few years ago. I was terribly disappointed by the > > various chamber pots and egg whisks which the proprietors unashamedly > > try > > to > > use for the decor in order to disguise the absence of real Churchill > > stuff. > > To make things worse Churchill-wise the restaurant part only served Thai > > food: no offence meant to Thailand, but not his daily fare, I believe, > > and > > therefore hardly appropriate to create a Churchill ambience. > > > As the Michelin Guide would (not) say, "not worth a detour" ! A tourist > > trap, in fact - and very far from any Tube stations. I was angry that I > > fell > > into it. > > ChurchillChat subscribers visiting London should give it a wide berth. > > > Antoine Capet > > Rouen (France) > > ===================== > > > From: Anthony Calabrese > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:15 AM > > To: List Churchill > > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill and Kensington > > > A question for the list. > > > I had dinner last night at a pub called "The Churchill Arms" on > > Kensington > > Church Street in Kensington/Notting Hill. In the main room there was a > > blue > > disk proclaiming that Churchill wrote some of his wartime speeches > > there. > > > Does anyone know if this can be true? I looked through the Jenkins > > biography quickly this morning and found nothing to support this. > > > Anthony > > > Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. 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