Ahh - alas - for real good Ales properly cask-conditioned, Montreal is perhaps not the best place to go. Montreal has other attributes
----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Cc: paul Sparling Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [ChurchillChat] Re: "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" I don't care if it's called The Churchill Arms or The Flying Thundermug, the only relevant concern is, does it have Real Ale? If yes, then go and happily quaff a pint. Otherwise eschew the premises for an establishment where Mine Host draws the proper cask-conditioned. Jonathan Hayes -------------- Original message from "paul Sparling" <[email protected]>: -------------- > > One small point. One of Montreal's most popular and trendiest nightclubs > is a spot called "Sir Winston Churchill's Pub" named for no other reason, I > think, than the founder admired Winston Churchill. Certainly there is > nothing inside the huge 3 floor to remind you of Churchill except for the > Logo. > > It's nice to see his name proudly waved about in a place that can have > occasional flare-ups of Anglophobia. > > Paul Sparling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Sandys" > To: "ChurchillChat" > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:05 PM > Subject: [Bulk] [ChurchillChat] Re: "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a > detour" > > > > Ok... > > Firstly, did you enter the establishment because they offered food and/ > or drink, or did you go in because it had 'Churchill' in its name? > > If your answer is the former, I'm assuming that their taps weren't dry > and therefore they successfully managed to fulfill their main > purpose. It's a pub! It bears the name 'Churchill', not because > Winston Churchill was there, not because he's a money spinner, not > even because he is alive and well and living in there. Strangely > enough, The Churchill Arms is a pub, a place for a drink, not a > museum. It's like having a pub called The Venison Arms, they won't > have venison on their menu, it's illegal, they probably won't have > loads of deer heads hanging from their walls, or indeed have a deer or > doe in their gardens, but, they might just sell food and/or drink. I > suggest you write a book complaining about all the pubs that bear the > names of things that you consider don't meet the naming > specification. I wonder if there is anything in France that might be > considered misleading and potentially a 'lure to unwary overseas > customers'. Hmmm, interesting question. > > If however, your answer was that you entered because of the name, you > will find there are posters of Churchill around and indeed several > items of memorabilia. If you expected more then you should have asked > the landlord if his display concluded his collection. Sorry for your > disappointment. > > Secondly, 'Churchill' is very much the property of the British People > and all those countries that courageously fought for freedom and were > prepared to continue the war, whatever the cost would be. Winston > Churchill is a name that must NEVER be forgotten. With the legacy of > Winston Churchill comes the reminder of how close we were to sinking > into an abyss of tyranny. I am proud that people are using the name > for their organisations, etc. As long as they use it, Churchill will > be remembered. Even the BNP had the right to use the name, they just > don't have the right to abuse it or make Churchill out to be something > that he was not. I run a not-for-profit organisation in the name of > Sir Winston Churchill, I run it with pride and use his name to teach > others about the importance of his morals, values and leadership > skills. I use the Foundation to promote the importance of education > and determination. I use the name of a great man to do good within > the world. And, I'm sorry, but unless you are a British Citizen, you > have no right to be 'irritated'. I am his Great-Grandson, I have more > right that you will ever have, and I can tell you, I am proud every > time someone chooses to use the name of Sir Winston Churchill, because > every time, it ensures the memory is kept alive. > > Don't be so narrow minded. You are most certainly entitled to your > opinion, but, as you clearly didn't approach the landlord with > questions about a collection, (one I have seen and know from > experience exists), then I suggest you check your facts as to why the > things that are displayed are so, and why the landlord is unable to > display more Churchillian memorabilia. > > I hope this reply draws this pointless critic of the Churchill Arms, > to a close. > > Jonathan Sandys > President and Founder > Churchill's Britain Foundation > > On Nov 8, 2:11 pm, "Antoine Capet" wrote: > > Dear anonymous correspondent writing from a Verizon Wireless BlackBerry*, > > > > Everyone is entitled to his opinion, and you are perfectly justified in > > believing that the "Thai" pub in question is pursuing a worthy cause. > > > > Mine however, after giving them some of my hard-won money to buy a pint > > there, is that the victuallers are only using Churchill's name to lure > > unwary overseas customers. If they have interesting Churchill memorabilia > > to > > show, they conceal them so well in the useless junk which fills their pub > > that I was unable to identify any in spite of my best efforts. > > > > I am rather irritated that so many commercial undertakings only very > > remotely connected with him - if at all - should use Churchill's name to > > make money from bona fide admirers of the great man. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > A.C. > > > > *Excellent advertising by the way - except that I have no clue what a > > Verizon Wireless BlackBerry is and do not want to know. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:47 PM > > To: > > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" > > > > > I'm sorry, but you are completely in correct in what you have said. > > > > > The chamber pots are nothing to do with Churchill, but they are > > > something > > > they have collected. As for the Churchill memorabilia, clearly you don't > > > know the pub well, (no offense), but have you ever been there at a WSC > > > event? > > > > > With regard to the food choice, I agree that the menu needs to have > > > English food as well as anything else they decide to offer, however, I > > > understand that in that particular area, Thai food is what is demanded > > > most. > > > > > Please, don't insult a place without looking into it more. How would you > > > like it if people decided to insult you because you incorporated a > > > worthy > > > hero of yours in your place of business, but due to overwhelming demand, > > > you needed to adjust to keep the reminder alive of a great man and a > > > great > > > time in history when those who fought and stood ground against Germany, > > > against all odds and alone for a year, determined a future that many > > > today > > > take for granted? > > > > > I suggest you contact the Landlord directly and ask to see the > > > memorabilia > > > that he has collected and displays where possible. > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Antoine Capet" > > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:04:51 > > > To: > > > Subject: [ChurchillChat] "The Churchill Arms" : "not worth a detour" > > > > > Dear Anthony, > > > > > What Churchill would have been doing so far from his usual haunts is > > > difficult to imagine. > > > > > I went to that pub a few years ago. I was terribly disappointed by the > > > various chamber pots and egg whisks which the proprietors unashamedly > > > try > > > to > > > use for the decor in order to disguise the absence of real Churchill > > > stuff. > > > To make things worse Churchill-wise the restaurant part only served Thai > > > food: no offence meant to Thailand, but not his daily fare, I believe, > > > and > > > therefore hardly appropriate to create a Churchill ambience. > > > > > As the Michelin Guide would (not) say, "not worth a detour" ! A tourist > > > trap, in fact - and very far from any Tube stations. I was angry that I > > > fell > > > into it. > > > ChurchillChat subscribers visiting London should give it a wide berth. > > > > > Antoine Capet > > > Rouen (France) > > > ===================== > > > > > From: Anthony Calabrese > > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:15 AM > > > To: List Churchill > > > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill and Kensington > > > > > A question for the list. > > > > > I had dinner last night at a pub called "The Churchill Arms" on > > > Kensington > > > Church Street in Kensington/Notting Hill. In the main room there was a > > > blue > > > disk proclaiming that Churchill wrote some of his wartime speeches > > > there. > > > > > Does anyone know if this can be true? I looked through the Jenkins > > > biography quickly this morning and found nothing to support this. > > > > > Anthony > > > > > Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. 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