Don't count on Win2k or future releases of NT based networking OS to impact
the hardware based routers.
OSPF and RIPv2 are the only 2 Routing protocols in Win2k/RRAS and not many
firms are implementing it. The OSPF code is based on the Bay Networks design
in NT4-RRAS and now that Nortel has assumed ownership, I don't see any hope
in it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Marlon Brown'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft 'Routers'
> I seriously don't think MS will hurt Cisco's routing business. Are you
> telling me that ISP, Corp will start using MS as a router? MS may be used
> as access point (hmmm, think of all the hole you can use). Can MS use
QoS,
> VoIP, Multicast, ......? It is a big part for us here. Only if you
cannot
> afford "real" equipment than you will you use it for everything. Think
> about it, you use printserver for the printer. "Jack of all trade and
> master of none"
>
> Albert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Marlon Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Microsoft 'Routers'
>
>
> I disagree with you regarding the support issue. They
> could call the MCSE 2000 people :-)
>
> I just want to see where they want to go with this routing idea. John
> Chambers mentioned during an interview that he is aware that Microsoft
might
> hurt Cisco routing business in the future.
>
> I know that MS Routing and Remote Access team is making huge investiments
on
> these Routing features.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Billy Monroe"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Microsoft 'Routers'
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:57:34 -0700
> >
> >Assuming one wants to use MS products as routers, the same concern
applies
> >-
> >what is the box capable of supporting? Are there cards for real WAN
> >routing?
> >Or is this just another cheap routers for use on LAN segments?
> >
> >And of course, there is always the issue of support. Who ya gonna call
3:00
> >a.m. Sunday when your mission critical network is down?
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> >David
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:47 AM
> >To: Billy Monroe
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Microsoft 'Routers'
> >
> >FYI, unix has also had routing capabilities inherent in the operating
> >system, as well as software for BGP, OSPF, RIP and friends in free
> >software like routed/gated since the beginning of the Internet. But,
> >would I ever use any unix box for a router? Not unless it was five
> >years ago, it was linux, and I was starting up an ISP with pocket
> >change. That was the trend while companies were out there providing
> >descent T-1/ISDN/PRI/Frame Relay cards and drivers for Linux x86
> >machines. The good thing about this setup, is that Linux can route a
> >full T-1 without any trouble using aging 486 hardware (ie: very very
> >dirt cheap router... $50?). But what's that , you want to route a
> >DS-3? Unlikely. I don't know anyone that makes DS-3/HSSI cards for
> >PCs. Anyone want to jump in on that?
> >
> >But, I've never trusted Windows NT/98 etc to do any routing, unless I
> >wanted it to crash all the time -- and no I'm really not wanting to
> >start a discussion about which is better or anything. I'd be interested
> >to see how much microsoft has cleaned it up in 2000. I really have a
> >lot of hope for this OS in terms of functions (ie: active directory) and
> >hopefully a newfound stability.
> >
> >In general any PC is not built for high speed routing. There will be
> >hardware architecture limitations to it's performance. Also, since the
> >operating systems are so bloated (compared to something streamlined for
> >routing like IOS), and running tons of applications at the same time --
> >unless you have a dedicated box -- a server will have a lot of other
> >things to do other then route packets. If you have no needs for real
> >performance, perhaps you could use a windows platform as a router, but
> >considering the resource needs of Windows in terms of hardware, you'd be
> >better off buying a real router instead.
> >
> >There is an interesting Linux mini-distribution out there called LRP, or
> >The Linux Router Project. It's a linux OS that fits onto a floppy (or
> >it did at least) and has full capabilities for routing and other things
> >like firewalling I'd assume. I haven't looked at it for a long time.
> >
> >It's at http://www.linuxrouter.org although the server doesn't appear to
> >be accepting connections right now. hmmm, I hope it's not running on a
> >LRP distribution hahaha.
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >Billy Monroe wrote:
> > >
> > > I see that Microsoft has provided resources to configure OSPF and RIP
in
> > > Windows 2000 servers
> > > to provide routing capabilities.
> > >
> > > Has anybody evaluate this ? Do you think this could substitute 'real'
> > > routers ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
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