I don't mean to start any type of argument here, especially with someone who obviously has more experience than I do. Yes, you've been contributing to this study group many times. But also many times your contributions are rather rethorical than practical and at the same time you seem to draw attention to what your opinion is rather than to give an educated and objective view backed by any type of real life examples. So yes, I'm saying that some times you don't quite stick to the subject at hand. I don't see how your view on Cisco's curriculum in re to MPLS can be taken seriously without you putting actual examples of how you came to that conclusion. Even if the knowledge required for achieving Cisco's recognition in re to MPLS was not as advanced as one would hope, shouldn't we look at positives of the whole process ? There are still things to be learnt, and emphasising them rather than the weaknesses would be a better idea. You won't become an expert just by passing the test or taking a trainig class, but at the same token, you can still learn a lot while achieving those CCXX goals.
Anyway, I'm sure there will be a good response coming, so let me be done with this subject. I had an early start today and I'm tired now. Good night ! ""nrf"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ""Henry D."" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Let me say up front, I don't have much experience in MPLS, I have > > only played with it in the lab and not all that extensively either. > > But CN is simply trying to get an idea of what to expect to go that road. > > I believe that was precisely what I answered. > > > Is "nrf" saying not to advance in this field by studying Cisco's way of > > emphasising MPLS ? > > What I said is that if you want to advance in that field, you will need > substantially more than what Cisco wants you to know about it. Read my post > again. > > >You know, we all have our doubts, he's brave enough > > to come to this group and ask questions. As far as L3VPN's, why not > > concentrate > > on that at least to start with. > > I never said not to learn L3VPN's. Read my post again. What I said is that > study of L3VPN's shouldn't be emphasized to the degree that Cisco seems to > emphasize it. > > > It's still one reason to do the MPLS thing. > > By just > > doing that he'll need to touch on many aspects of MPLS anyway. He will > still > > use either LDP or RSVP, he still will use the LSP establishment, he might > as > > well > > learn the TE options available for establishment of those LSP's. He'll > need > > to learn > > how to use the LSP's for pushing traffic over them. He'll learn what and > how > > the > > labels get pushed/popped. Then why not study it that way. He's not > advancing > > his > > MPLS skills, he might not have any yet. He's simply trying to see if he > will > > be able to utilize any of the skills he will have to learn to make it > worth > > it his while. > > No doubt all learning is good. Again, read my post again. I never said > that he shouldn't learn it. What I said is that he shouldn't necessarily > learn it "the Cisco way". > > > > > Well, maybe someone else with more experience in MPLS arena and someone > more > > objective can give a better insight as to whether there is a demand for > > these skills. > > Are you implying that I'm not objective - that I have some kind of agenda? > > > > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ""Cisco Nuts"" wrote in message > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hello group, How does one feel about a career in MPLS...I mean doing > > MPLS > > > > as part of your core job day in and out.....Is it worth it? Since our > > > > network does not use MPLS (maybe never will) inspite of being one of > the > > > > Big Four Tier 1 SP's.... > > > > > > Let me guess. Do you work for Sprint? > > > > > > >are there other SP's that use MPLS in their > > > > backbone?? > > > > > > Yeah, there are some. > > > > > > >I have just given myself a month or so break from my CCIE Lab > > > > Prep.(yeah!yeah! most would consider me stupid on this) to study MPLS > > > > for the CCIP and am thinking if I should pursue this subject just > like > > I > > > > did for BGP.....know it inside out cold.....and maybe consider a new > > > > career/job in MPLS (obviously along with BGP, MBGP, MCast etc...) Does > > > > anyone know of how MPLS is viewed out there? I mean, in terms of > > > > implementation, popularity and last but not the least , $$$ ??? > > ;->Which > > > > of the Big SP's or Enterprise networks have implemented MPLS? Has it > > been > > > > worth the advantages that MPLS proposes??Thank you.Sincerely,CN > > > > > > The way I see it is this. MPLS is potentially powerful technology for > it > > > can be used as a lingua-franca among a carrier's network and transport > > layer > > > and also as a way to impose circuit-switching discipline upon IP and > > > therefore offer circuit-switching services with a pure IP network. > > > > > > But MPLS is by no means a slam-dunk. Certain carriers, most notably > > > Sprint, have elected not to go down the MPLS path because they believe > the > > > technology is immature (and they are correct) and also because they > > believe > > > that they can garner the benefits of MPLS by other means (also correct). > > > The point is that while MPLS offers great potential, it also presents > > > problems, so implementing it is not a no-brainer. > > > > > > And furthermore, I don't particularly like the way that Cisco is pushing > > > MPLS, particularly in its cert program. In my opinion, I think Cisco's > > cert > > > programs emphasize the least useful parts of MPLS while neglecting the > > more > > > useful parts. For example, I don't understand why Cisco pushes LDP the > > way > > > it does, for LDP merely builds LSP's that correspond to the route table, > > but > > > what's so useful about having LDP's that look like the route table? It > is > > > far more useful to build LSP's that differ from the route table, but the > > > methods of doing that are not really covered very much (if at all) in > the > > > Cisco curricula. Also, I don't understand why Cisco places such an > > emphasis > > > on L3VPN's, as if L3VPNs were the only important service that MPLS > > enables. > > > L3VPN's are only one of the new services that you can enable, and in my > > > opinion, one of the less important ones. Far more important are the > L2VPN > > > capabilities and the ability to unify IP, ATM, and optical into a single > > > management plane. The point I'm making is that if you merely study > MPLS > > > according to the Cisco curricula, you really haven't learned much about > it > > > that's actually useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66642&t=66609 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
