you make an a priori argument that lower is better. is a lower number cpa better than a higher numbered one? actually, probably the inverse is true as the more recent the certification the more recent the material covered. this is balanced against with age comes opportunities and experiences.
threads like this are like discussing the maximum number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. i vote we kill the thread before it spawn. later. ----- Original Message ----- From: n rf Date: Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:16 pm Subject: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] > Well, there are still less than 10,000 CCIE's. So the population > hasn'taccelerated THAT dramatically. > > Having said that, I will say that the CCIE has most likely gotten less > rigorous and therefore less valuable over time. I know this is > going to > greatly annoy some people when I say this, but the truth is, the > averagequality of the later (read: high-number) CCIE's is probably > lower than the > average quality of the higher (read: lower-number) CCIE's. > > Before any of you high-number CCIE's decides to flame me, ask > yourself if > you were given the opportunity to trade your number for a lower > number,would you do it? For example, if you are CCIE #11,000 and > you could trade > that number for CCIE #1100, would you take it? Be honest with > yourself. > I'm sure you would concede that you would. By the same token we > also know > that no low-number CCIE would willingly trade his number for a > higher one. > The movement is therefore all "one-way". If all CCIE's were > really "created > equal" then nobody would really care one way or another which > number they > had. Therefore the CCIE community realizes that all CCIE's are not > createdequal and that intuitively that the lower number is more > desirable and the > higher number is less desirable (otherwise, why does everybody > want a lower > number?). Simply put, the test is not as rigorous as it was in > the past, > which is why lower numbers are preferred. > > Or, I'll put it to you another way. Let's say that starting at > #12,000Cisco makes the test ridiculously hard, putting in all > kinds of funky > technologies, and making the pass rate less than 1% or some other > god-awful > number. What would happen? Simple. Word would get around that > the "new" > CCIE was super-rigorous and therefore very prestigious to pass. > Eventually,numbers greater than #12000 would be coveted, and > everybody would want to > trade in their number for one greater than #12000. Recruiters and > HR people > would start giving preference to CCIE's with numbers greater than > #12000. > The point is that when rigor increases, prestige and desirability > tends to > follow. When rigor declines, so does prestige and desirability. > > > And what is the cause of this decline in rigor? Well, you alluded to > several factors. While it is still rather controversial exactly > how the > switch from 2 days to 1 day impacted the program, it is widely > conceded that > it probably didn't help. Nor does having all these braindumps all > over the > Internet, and not just for the written, but the lab as well. The > CCIE has > certain arcane logistical rules that people have figured out how > to 'game' - > for example, for example, some people who live near test sites > just attempt > the lab every month over and over again. Finally, there is the > consensusthat the CCIE program has simply not kept up with the > growing amount of > study material, bootcamps, lab-guides, and so forth. We all know > there's an > entire cottage industry devoted just to helping people to pass the > lab, and > while there's nothing wrong with that per se, it does mean that > Cisco needs > to keep pace to maintain test rigor. To offer a parallel > situation, when > the MCSE bootcamps started to proliferate, the value of the MCSE > plummetedbecause Microsoft did not properly maintain the rigor of > the cert. > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70228&t=70151 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
