Has Bill Gates got an MBA? Did John Postel ever go for a CCIE?
Just my $0.02 Best regards, Dom Stocqueler CTO - SysDom Technologies -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Nalbandian Sent: 01 June 2003 01:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] I still seem to be unable to get across the central point. It does not matter what is more potent or more reliable than the other. The point is that neither should be either undervalued or overvalued by way of unfair propaganda and preconceptions. I have experienced that a college degree holder can also be as incompetent and moronic as a non-holder, but I DO NOT go on a crusade to ridicule college education. Nor do I discourage someone from EARNING a degree, and, in fact, I completely agree with the idea that a bachelors degree should be EARNED when it is most opportune: early in life when not bogged down by life's responsbilities. I also, on the same exact and precise token, do not discourage people to EARN a certification from the vendor relevant to their current position to update their knowledge. I happen to have gained much from Cisco's program as well as MS's due to my particular area of work: Indepedent constultant. I don't have to prove that I have "Harvard business knowledge" when the reality that I deal with dictates that I understand NETWORKING principles. It is a simple idea, and it is crucial to the welfare of each company: Judge each individual by their own merit as much as the situation allows and as the situation requires. I know companies who do this, and they are run most efficiently. Other who do not follow such principles always suffer from disgruntled employees. As to some of the points you outline (sorry I cannot get to all your points or if I have missed any): 1. Cisco's (and Microsoft's for that matter) example of who's on the Board of Directors or in management in general is irrelevant to the discussion except for the fact that they are managers, specifically managers. Those on the board or in management have proven themselves to be managers, while the CCIE's are proven technicians, network engineers. There is no "Vendor cert for management." We are, yet again, devaluing something, an orange per se, by putting it in an apple contest. Irrelevant! 2. I again, restate, restate and restate again that I DO NOT discourage, nor do I wish to unfairly discredit, discount, ridicule, nor dismiss the value of a REAL college education. I am a college graduate as well, albeit in the music field, but I see the need for vendor certs (the programs themselves, not as much the "title"). Specialization in technical areas has to be achieved and measured in some formal manner, specially in a complex field like networking. This is precisely the reason why I find it strange that a certification program is under attach with such propaganda. If you EARN a cert, truly, you will learn a lot. There is essentially little difference in result per effort invested. 3. I do not have "lofty ideals" from which I fly into bouts of fantasy. I tell reality the way I have seen it, and I can assure you that vendor certs are valued by a good number of people for what they are. College degrees have been overrated by a great many companies who hire people for technical positions, and these same companies, again, are the ones that suffer the most from lack of professionalism in their ranks. For positions of upper management (or even "middle" management), I have no argument either way, as it is totally out of bounds of this discussion. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=69962&t=69483 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
