[NRF] In this thread, I have attacked what has happened to the CCIE lately. Not the CCIE in general, just what has happened to it lately. This is a
[JN] Your overall approach has a pattern to it, and your response ironically reenforces the notion. The "number of CCIE" thread merely complements the entire line of reasoning that you have thus far been feeding the topic of credentials in general. Below is again a case in point. [NRF] And now to your specific points. All education does not suffer from an abundance of information, for one specific reason. Education uses relative scoring, something that I've advocated for awhile. You want to get into college, especially an elite one? You can't just present a summation of qualifications. You win admission by beating out the other guy. If the other guy raises his game, then you have to raise you game too. Top colleges therefore retains their elite status precisely because they are always admitting the very best students, whatever "best" happens to mean at that particular time. If all students all of a sudden have access to more information, it doesn't matter, because the those colleges will still skim from the top, whatever the "top" happens to be. Therefore they will always do a good job of identifying whoever the top students happen to be. Relative scoring ensures that this happens. [JN] Admissions to a college is merely a step along the cheat ladder for many, and there are many "supplemental" colleges and universities that hand out the bachelors for those who fail the first admissions hurdle. Therefore, the overall picture is as dismal as that of the cert: i.e. Bachelors holders in various fields oversupply the market and cause for unemployment of their peers. For example, there is no "national engineer graduate limit" to contend with. More, if the student has "completed" his education and testing with enough "abundance of information," then his GPA and other such qualifications are also privy to such "informational corruption." After the admission fiasco, you will once again have the typical student cram relentlessly during his college tenure, tempting him/her to once again reap the old Internet harvest of information. He will have his myriad choice of cheating, whether that is by way of hacked test answers, ready made term papers on any given subject on the net, or by way of paid for term paper writing franchises. This is an irrelevancy that is repeatedly used by your argumentation. I said it earlier: Any such generalization and "benchmarking" will be counterproductive and damaging to the process of choosing employees, particularly for our field. It is unfair, and it is stupid. [NRF] And many others who are far more experienced in taking the lab interestingly enough agree with me. [JN] Produce them. I can vouch for the fact that certs have not gotten easier in and of themselves. I can also vouch for the fact that a college degree can be obtained with much more ease than before, but that is my personal experience and bias talking. Remember, I am also a graduate in addition to holding certifications, although in completely unrelated fields. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70477&t=70151 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
