I don't disagree with a single word :)
"John
Neiberger"
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"John
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>Agreed on all points.....
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>Out of curiosity, did anyone ever admit to wanting to trade a higher
number
>ie with a lower number? I don't think I ever saw anyone come right out and
>say yes or no.
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>I'm pretty much in lurk mode on this list, and so my opinions and such can
>be taken for what they are worth, and I think that while this list is a
>discussion area for certification prep I see a lot of material that looks
>suspiciously like "I ran across this at work, help me". Not that that's
>necessarily a bad thing, just pointing out that once the "what is the
>passing score for xyz", "what books are best" and "what do I need to
>study", not to mention the odd "I have all the answers, e-mail me" posts
>get set aside, there are considerably more items that qualify as "off"
>topic than on.
A couple of years ago we all decided (well, Paul decided) that the
professional list would no longer be a certification-only list, while the
associates list is supposed to remain certification-related. It is
perfectly acceptable to discuss just about any networking topic on the
professional list.
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>nrf provides numerous opportunities for interesting discussions that go
>beyond the how many bits in a byte conversations. He seems to agitate some
>people (some more than others) which in my book usually means he's hit on
>something. I realize that by daring to criticize the ccie program in any
>way offends some who have staked a good portion of blood, sweat and tears
>on obtaining, or working on obtaining, their certification, but that
>doesn't make some of his points any less valid.
nrf is a source of agitation for some for a couple of different reasons.
First, he chooses to remain fairly anonymous and pretty vague about his own
certification history. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone tried
to get him to admit whether he was a CCIE or not. He makes an excellent
point regarding this. If we dispute what he is saying, we should argue the
point, not the person.
Second, he is brutally honest and oftentimes people take this the wrong
way.
I don't want to speak for him but he seems to call things like he sees
them
and he is obviously experienced enough in the industry to give his opinion
quite a bit of weight. I've never seen him be anything but fair and
honest,
but this may seem brash to some.
Regards,
John
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>Anyway, that's my $.02, as always if you're not interested in what I have
>to say, ignore me or delete this message, please don't send me a 10 page
>response telling me how I'm responsible for keeping the thread alive :)
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> "Peter van
>Oene"
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>At 09:34 PM 6/8/2003 +0000, garrett allen wrote:
>>the intent of this list is to discuss preparation cisco exams, not
>>opportunities in the various job markets. if your comments don't
>>relate to the study blueprint in some meaninful way, please keep them
>>to yourself.
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>nice thread :-) for those whining about it, you can skip the messages you
>know.
>
>ccie is a good challenge. got after it if you want. maybe it will help
>you get a job, maybe it won't. jncie is pretty neat too :)
>
>my ie will expire in a couple months and I could really care less.
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>but please, feel free to continue debate subjective topics as you see fit.
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>for what its worth, in my opinion, nrf has well earned the right to debate
>whatever he wants on this list.
>
>pete
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