"We don't want none of dem dang ferners comin' over here an' takin' our jobs
away from us... or our wimmen neether!"
Sometimes it is embarrassing to be from the US... In the technology arena,
as in any other, there are typical salary ranges for certain types of
positions, then there are exceptions, both high and low. If you have any
savvy at all, you find that you will earn what you are willing to settle
for. Remember when you contemplate your own value in the marketplace that
the technology arena is a GLOBAL marketplace.
Think globally, act locally!
Dale
[=`)
>From: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:20:08 -0600
>
><It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>certifications, not jobs.>
>
>ElephantChild, I say it has alot to do " ... about getting certifications,
>..." If you have a Certification, but no experience, what is it called or
>what is the state, status of your certification - you are a PAPER xxxx.
>At least, that is what is advocated by some; therefore, at least, in part,
>this is applicable whether you are a CCNA, CCDA, CCxx, CCIE, xNx, MSxx,
>etc. [Extended to Novell, Micrsoft, ...]
>
>At least with Cisco devices, at the lower end, it is hard for people to
>beg, borrow or steal an entry level position. And then, to paraphrase,
>they must pay there dues and proceed with their career. At the upper end,
>sacrifice and hard work, money, prestige, status and on going work to stay
>current.
>
>In that it follows the path of least resistance, Capitalism starts to
>acquire the properties of electricity. Capitalism is a predicated on the
>ability to produce and sell a product [or service] at the least expense
>for the highest margin possible. If your type of services are needed and
>you are a bono fide, card carrying CCxx, MSxx, xNx, you have expectations
>about market value, time in industry, what you know, who you know, how
>much you know, etc. To repeat, you have expectations of what you are
>worth.
>
>What happens, since you want x money and you can't get any work because
>you are just a PAPER xxxx at your new expertise level because joe/jane doe
>will do the work for a fraction of what you have come to expect, probably
>deserve and the market used to bear. [Union shops come to mind.]
>
>Suddenly, H1B and Certification are entwined - up to your and my neck.
>Then, to take it a step further, what happens when an H1B starts under
>cutting another H1B. At that point, we are all on a downward spiral - if
>not already.
>
>Other than, "It's not on topic ...", please explain your position
>ElephantChild.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>ElephantChild wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, cryptobyte wrote:
> >
> > > Given this venue, H1-B seems on topic. Just sharing from
> > > Greenspun.com:LUSENET:{GICC)
> >
> > It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
> > certifications, not jobs. And as for [EMAIL PROTECTED], any archive
> > search would've shown that this was discussed before, generating much
> > heat, little light, and no discernible change of position on either
> > side.
> >
> > --
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> > true gut-wrenching terror, have children. --Dusty Rhoades.
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