/
And while they have your job, ie, you're not working, your family is hungry,
what is your point?
\
Quoting "Matt C. Lange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey just remember they are willing to take the pay cut to get citizenship.
> Also, 50,000 grand is like 1 millions over there so I have been told by a
> Consultant from India. They come here take away american jobs and make
> there nest egg and go back as kings.
> Just my two cents, Oh and I am not racist I would feel the same if it were
> someone form Germany as well.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Sam Adams
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:12 PM
> To: 'Dick Silva'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
> I don't know what controls are in place to enforce the law. But I would
> think that someone tooting his horn about cheap foreign workers is asking
> for trouble. Perhaps, you should show the article to the INS or the
> appropriate agency to put these guys out of business. Not only are they
> exploiting the system and the American people but exploiting the foreign
> workers as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:43 PM
> To: Sam Adams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
> /
> H-1Bs are not paid at market rate even though it is federal law.
>
> In Clearwater, FL there is a company that recruits only H-1Bs from other
> countries.
> One of their salesman was being interviewed by the local newspaper, St
> Petersburg Times, and he was naming off the advantages of hiring foreign
> workers, and I quote, "We just placed one man in Boston for $55k/yr if it
> had been an American they would have had to pay $85K/yr".
> I keep wondering about that level playing field George Bush Sr was always
> talking about.
>
> Like the man said...The H-1B program is a fraud.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 3:29 PM
> Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
> >I thought H1-B were suppose to be paid at market rate?
> >
> >BTW, it takes about 3 months to transfer a H1-B so if the foreign workers
> do
> >not like their jobs then they have no recourse but work until it is
> >transferred. Or not work until it is transferred. They don't have it
> easy
> >either.
> >
> >IMHO, it seems that the only winners are the companies who hire them.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Dick Silva
> >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:58 AM
> >To: cryptobyte; ElephantChild; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
> >
> >
> >/
> >A thought that occurred to me is.....how do all the H-1Bs get experience
> >when supposedly the U.S. is so much more technically advanced than most
> >other countries?
> >
> >Maybe U.S. corporations do not require H-1Bs to have experience because
> they
> >work for so much less.
> >
> >As I said, just a thought.
> >\
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 AM
> >Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
> >
> >
> >><It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
> >>certifications, not jobs.>
> >>
> >>ElephantChild, I say it has alot to do " ... about getting
> certifications,
> >>..." If you have a Certification, but no experience, what is it called
> or
> >>what is the state, status of your certification - you are a PAPER xxxx.
> >>At least, that is what is advocated by some; therefore, at least, in
> part,
> >>this is applicable whether you are a CCNA, CCDA, CCxx, CCIE, xNx, MSxx,
> >>etc. [Extended to Novell, Micrsoft, ...]
> >>
> >>At least with Cisco devices, at the lower end, it is hard for people to
> >>beg, borrow or steal an entry level position. And then, to paraphrase,
> >>they must pay there dues and proceed with their career. At the upper
> end,
> >>sacrifice and hard work, money, prestige, status and on going work to
> stay
> >>current.
> >>
> >>In that it follows the path of least resistance, Capitalism starts to
> >>acquire the properties of electricity. Capitalism is a predicated on the
> >>ability to produce and sell a product [or service] at the least expense
> >>for the highest margin possible. If your type of services are needed and
> >>you are a bono fide, card carrying CCxx, MSxx, xNx, you have expectations
> >>about market value, time in industry, what you know, who you know, how
> >>much you know, etc. To repeat, you have expectations of what you are
> >>worth.
> >>
> >>What happens, since you want x money and you can't get any work because
> >>you are just a PAPER xxxx at your new expertise level because joe/jane
> doe
> >>will do the work for a fraction of what you have come to expect, probably
> >>deserve and the market used to bear. [Union shops come to mind.]
> >>
> >>Suddenly, H1B and Certification are entwined - up to your and my neck.
> >>Then, to take it a step further, what happens when an H1B starts under
> >>cutting another H1B. At that point, we are all on a downward spiral - if
> >>not already.
> >>
> >>Other than, "It's not on topic ...", please explain your position
> >>ElephantChild.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>ElephantChild wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, cryptobyte wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Given this venue, H1-B seems on topic. Just sharing from
> >>> > Greenspun.com:LUSENET:{GICC)
> >>>
> >>> It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
> >>> certifications, not jobs. And as for [EMAIL PROTECTED], any archive
> >>> search would've shown that this was discussed before, generating much
> >>> heat, little light, and no discernible change of position on either
> >>> side.
> >>>
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