Hey just remember they are willing to take the pay cut to get citizenship.
Also, 50,000 grand is like 1 millions over there so I have been told by a
Consultant from India. They come here take away american jobs and make
there nest egg and go back as kings.
Just my two cents, Oh and I am not racist I would feel the same if it were
someone form Germany as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Sam Adams
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:12 PM
To: 'Dick Silva'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
I don't know what controls are in place to enforce the law. But I would
think that someone tooting his horn about cheap foreign workers is asking
for trouble. Perhaps, you should show the article to the INS or the
appropriate agency to put these guys out of business. Not only are they
exploiting the system and the American people but exploiting the foreign
workers as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:43 PM
To: Sam Adams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
/
H-1Bs are not paid at market rate even though it is federal law.
In Clearwater, FL there is a company that recruits only H-1Bs from other
countries.
One of their salesman was being interviewed by the local newspaper, St
Petersburg Times, and he was naming off the advantages of hiring foreign
workers, and I quote, "We just placed one man in Boston for $55k/yr if it
had been an American they would have had to pay $85K/yr".
I keep wondering about that level playing field George Bush Sr was always
talking about.
Like the man said...The H-1B program is a fraud.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>I thought H1-B were suppose to be paid at market rate?
>
>BTW, it takes about 3 months to transfer a H1-B so if the foreign workers
do
>not like their jobs then they have no recourse but work until it is
>transferred. Or not work until it is transferred. They don't have it easy
>either.
>
>IMHO, it seems that the only winners are the companies who hire them.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Dick Silva
>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:58 AM
>To: cryptobyte; ElephantChild; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
>/
>A thought that occurred to me is.....how do all the H-1Bs get experience
>when supposedly the U.S. is so much more technically advanced than most
>other countries?
>
>Maybe U.S. corporations do not require H-1Bs to have experience because
they
>work for so much less.
>
>As I said, just a thought.
>\
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 AM
>Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
>><It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>>certifications, not jobs.>
>>
>>ElephantChild, I say it has alot to do " ... about getting certifications,
>>..." If you have a Certification, but no experience, what is it called or
>>what is the state, status of your certification - you are a PAPER xxxx.
>>At least, that is what is advocated by some; therefore, at least, in part,
>>this is applicable whether you are a CCNA, CCDA, CCxx, CCIE, xNx, MSxx,
>>etc. [Extended to Novell, Micrsoft, ...]
>>
>>At least with Cisco devices, at the lower end, it is hard for people to
>>beg, borrow or steal an entry level position. And then, to paraphrase,
>>they must pay there dues and proceed with their career. At the upper end,
>>sacrifice and hard work, money, prestige, status and on going work to stay
>>current.
>>
>>In that it follows the path of least resistance, Capitalism starts to
>>acquire the properties of electricity. Capitalism is a predicated on the
>>ability to produce and sell a product [or service] at the least expense
>>for the highest margin possible. If your type of services are needed and
>>you are a bono fide, card carrying CCxx, MSxx, xNx, you have expectations
>>about market value, time in industry, what you know, who you know, how
>>much you know, etc. To repeat, you have expectations of what you are
>>worth.
>>
>>What happens, since you want x money and you can't get any work because
>>you are just a PAPER xxxx at your new expertise level because joe/jane doe
>>will do the work for a fraction of what you have come to expect, probably
>>deserve and the market used to bear. [Union shops come to mind.]
>>
>>Suddenly, H1B and Certification are entwined - up to your and my neck.
>>Then, to take it a step further, what happens when an H1B starts under
>>cutting another H1B. At that point, we are all on a downward spiral - if
>>not already.
>>
>>Other than, "It's not on topic ...", please explain your position
>>ElephantChild.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>ElephantChild wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, cryptobyte wrote:
>>>
>>> > Given this venue, H1-B seems on topic. Just sharing from
>>> > Greenspun.com:LUSENET:{GICC)
>>>
>>> It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>>> certifications, not jobs. And as for [EMAIL PROTECTED], any archive
>>> search would've shown that this was discussed before, generating much
>>> heat, little light, and no discernible change of position on either
>>> side.
>>>
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