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A thought that occurred to me is.....how do all the H-1Bs get experience
when supposedly the U.S. is so much more technically advanced than most
other countries?
Maybe U.S. corporations do not require H-1Bs to have experience because they
work for so much less.
As I said, just a thought.
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-----Original Message-----
From: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
><It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>certifications, not jobs.>
>
>ElephantChild, I say it has alot to do " ... about getting certifications,
>..." If you have a Certification, but no experience, what is it called or
>what is the state, status of your certification - you are a PAPER xxxx.
>At least, that is what is advocated by some; therefore, at least, in part,
>this is applicable whether you are a CCNA, CCDA, CCxx, CCIE, xNx, MSxx,
>etc. [Extended to Novell, Micrsoft, ...]
>
>At least with Cisco devices, at the lower end, it is hard for people to
>beg, borrow or steal an entry level position. And then, to paraphrase,
>they must pay there dues and proceed with their career. At the upper end,
>sacrifice and hard work, money, prestige, status and on going work to stay
>current.
>
>In that it follows the path of least resistance, Capitalism starts to
>acquire the properties of electricity. Capitalism is a predicated on the
>ability to produce and sell a product [or service] at the least expense
>for the highest margin possible. If your type of services are needed and
>you are a bono fide, card carrying CCxx, MSxx, xNx, you have expectations
>about market value, time in industry, what you know, who you know, how
>much you know, etc. To repeat, you have expectations of what you are
>worth.
>
>What happens, since you want x money and you can't get any work because
>you are just a PAPER xxxx at your new expertise level because joe/jane doe
>will do the work for a fraction of what you have come to expect, probably
>deserve and the market used to bear. [Union shops come to mind.]
>
>Suddenly, H1B and Certification are entwined - up to your and my neck.
>Then, to take it a step further, what happens when an H1B starts under
>cutting another H1B. At that point, we are all on a downward spiral - if
>not already.
>
>Other than, "It's not on topic ...", please explain your position
>ElephantChild.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>ElephantChild wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, cryptobyte wrote:
>>
>> > Given this venue, H1-B seems on topic. Just sharing from
>> > Greenspun.com:LUSENET:{GICC)
>>
>> It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>> certifications, not jobs. And as for [EMAIL PROTECTED], any archive
>> search would've shown that this was discussed before, generating much
>> heat, little light, and no discernible change of position on either
>> side.
>>
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