Are you saying that if you happen to be born in - let's say Greenland, your
only carrier choice would be whale catcher because neither Microsoft nor
Cisco started their business up there?
I think that if the fathers and grandfathers you're talking about knew they
were going to bled before they left their mother country, they would
probably have stayed at home. The reason why they immigrated over here was
because they hoped for better opportunities, just like foreigners who come
here now to get IT jobs. Nobody immigrates anywhere to get in to a worse
situation - at least not by their free will.
Just my $0.02.
Ole
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Ole Drews Jensen
Systems Network Manager
CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The H1-B Visa Program is a fraud
Well, I guess the arguments of the pro-H1B people are as predictable as the
left-leaning, politically correct arguments of so many people here in this
country. Everyone who opposes them is fearful, closed-minded, and ignorant.
What is being said is that wages, in general are being watered down as a
result of "cheap labor".
Yeah, we are all imigrants or decendants of imigramts... maybe the
difference is that our fathers and grandfathers have bled to defend this
country. Whether you like it or not we are generationally-vested citizens
and that does make a difference.
I find it reprehensible that companys like Microsoft should be lobbying so
hard for increased visas. I wonder whether they think they could have
succeeded in building their companys in India or China.
I am having a hard time understanding why so many people from elsewhere have
taken the time to become educated in an area that their own economies
couldn't support.
>From: "Babashola Madariola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Babashola Madariola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: The H1-B Visa Program is a fraud
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:05:39 +0100
>
>
>
>Wisdom can surely not be bought.
>I've never been disappointed by your comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>"Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/12/2000 09:12:20 AM
>
>Please respond to "Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>To: "Jobs@Groupstudy. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>cc: (bcc: Babashola Madariola/C/Africa/Mobil-Notes)
>Subject: RE: The H1-B Visa Program is a fraud
>
>
>
>
>
>Let's close the book on H1 professionals. Why are so many of the
>consultants
>on this board threatened by them? Do you not have any confidence in your
>own
>skill-sets to keep your job or beat the other to a new one?
>
>Here is a very simple FACT:
>
>There are more available jobs in the US than there are qualified
>"Americans"
>to fill them. If you were beaten to a job by someone that needed
>sponsorship, there's an 85% chance that he/she was just better qualified
>for
>the position. The 15% was because the company couldn't afford you and made
>a
>"wise", yet unethical, "business decision" to use someone that needed
>sponsorship because they CAN and WILL low ball them. An ethical decision
>would be to import talent when there is a shortage, but pay them at market
>value. The people that require sponsorship are more desperate for work in
>the US because they get paid peanuts in their own country and because of a
>shortage in opportunities. I feel bad for them because I know what it was
>like to be poor in this country.
>
>Back home, my grandfather owned an oil refinery and a textile factory. My
>father was a doctor in our country and we were among the top 10 richest
>people in the whole country. We owned 3-4 mansions in each city. We came to
>the US as refugees when the Soviets invaded our country and we gave up
>everything we ever owned and worked hard for, just for the chance of
>living.
>The military now use them as army bases or meeting grounds for the
>generals.
>The US wouldn't give my father a job as a doctor so he was forced to become
>a cab driver for 6 years till he studied English and Medicine all over
>again
>to pass the "American Exams". We are now considered middle to upper middle
>class. AT first, there were 7 of us living in a small 2 bedroom apartment.
>One bedroom was for my mother and father and the other was for my aunt, my
>3
>siblings and myself. Barely ate at times. Not a great neighborhood.
>
>I have worked hard in my short life and learned so much and am willing to
>give up my position to someone that was more qualified than me, even if he
>or she required sponsorship. I am all for the H1 professionals in this
>world, especially in this country and those willing to give up a lot to
>come
>for an opportunity here.
>
>Only the weak feel threatened.
>
>
>Raymond Thomas
>Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
>295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
>Great Neck, NY 11021
>(516)498-2300 ext. 103
>(516)498-1749 fax
>(917)444-1334 pager
>Web: http://lewisconsultants.com
>
>
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