I agree...  I think the CCIE will always stand out because of its testing
nature, but ANY computer based test certification can lose its worth because
of EXAM-Crams type materials.  The Transenders is another product that will
help destroy the value of Cisco certifications.  I have seen people who have
never touched a NT server get their MCSE's in a month because they can
memorize answers using Transenders.  Would you want to hire this guy?  The
more and more CCNP's and CCDA's you see out there, the more you should be
focused on moving to higher ground to ensure your marketability.

-Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Andy Walden
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:19 AM
To: Mohamed Heeba
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco



I think that training and certificates is a market all unto itself. The
Cisco training portion could break out and stand alone because you still
have to know about the foundations of network to get through it. When
someone else develops a training and cert program as comprehensive, then
the training sector will also see competition.

andy

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:

> so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long
> time this value is going to retain its bright ??
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > Subject:    Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> >
> >
> > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
some
> > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the
> > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with
a
> > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> >
> > andy
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> >
> > > hi guys
> > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much
> > more
> > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )....do u
think
> > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
like
> > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
> > discuss
> > > this
> > >
> > >
> > > Mohamed
> > >
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