I agree with your statement concerning RedBack. According to the Dell
O'Group (How ever you spell it), we supposedly have market share? I was
surprised to read this. This is the same company that says Juniper is
stealing market share from us. If you look at Cisco's track record, new
products don't shine as well as they do 1-2 years later. The Catalyst
switch is a good example. Think of the first Catalyst switch and look how
it has evolved. When I look at the road maps to certain products I do get
blown away from some of the things we have planned. I think it takes some
time to add the Cisco "touch" to the products we acquire. What do you think
of the physical layout of our boxes? This is something that I always hear
negative things about from CO guys...
-Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:48 AM
To: Eddie Parra
Cc: Bharat Suneja; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:
> Redback is another impressive company... I have been researching them a
lot
> lately. They are forming well...
>
Redback is a good example where Cisco wasn't quick enough to get a product
out. The Redback SMS works very well as a DSL concentrator. The "cisco"
solution was IOS running on their routers. This did not and does not work
very well. Cisco now has DSL concentrators of their own, but the price
point is pretty high and acceptance isn't there yet.
Brian
> -Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bharat Suneja
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's
> mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of -
> Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al.... and I'd pretty much love to get my
> hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback.
>
> Bharat Suneja
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eddie Parra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> > I will like to add something to this also. I was the director of
> technology
> > for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE
> to
> > hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry. This isn't
a
> > slam, this is a fact. There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not
to
> > forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to
learn
> > Internetworking technologies on Cisco products. You also have to
consider
> > things like this when you make a purchasing decision. One other thing I
> > think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best
support
> > group available 24-7-365. Sometimes technology isn't the deciding
factor.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Bharat Suneja
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot
of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
> recommend
> > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of
Cisco-trained,
> > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network
Management
> > products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
> >
> > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
> >
> > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
> Cisco
> > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> > those markets.
> >
> > And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> > still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the
CCIE
> > will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of
CCNAs
> &
> > CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
> >
> > (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
> not
> > used Boson tests... :-)
> >
> > Bharat Suneja
> >
> >
> > "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL...
> > > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how
> long
> > > time this value is going to retain its bright ??
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > > > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper
is
> > > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry
and
> > > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
> > some
> > > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is
> the
> > > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down
> with
> > a
> > > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > > > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> > > >
> > > > andy
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > hi guys
> > > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have
much
> > > > more
> > > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )....do u
> > think
> > > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
> > like
> > > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like
to
> > > > discuss
> > > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohamed
> > > > >
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