I will like to add something to this also. I was the director of technology
for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE to
hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry. This isn't a
slam, this is a fact. There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to
forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn
Internetworking technologies on Cisco products. You also have to consider
things like this when you make a purchasing decision. One other thing I
think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support
group available 24-7-365. Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor.
-Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Bharat Suneja
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al
DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend
and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco
technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
those markets.
And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE
will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs &
CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
(I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have not
used Boson tests... :-)
Bharat Suneja
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> so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long
> time this value is going to retain its bright ??
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> >
> >
> > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
some
> > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the
> > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with
a
> > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> >
> > andy
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> >
> > > hi guys
> > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much
> > more
> > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )....do u
think
> > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
like
> > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
> > discuss
> > > this
> > >
> > >
> > > Mohamed
> > >
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