Priscilla,
I think having a survey to validate the test is an excellent idea, however
the disclaimer on the exam does specifically state that your score is
dependent on how you answer the questions. It didn't give me the impression
that it's to discriminate between CCSI's and non CCSI candidates...
If it's used to validate test questions, they should replace their
disclaimer with a statement of what it's actually being used for--I think
many people have not accurately reported their information because they're
afraid of getting tougher questions or being scored at a higher bar...
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Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: December 11, 2000 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
Actually the question that I asked Cisco was whether their tests are
adaptive such that they give you a "bye" on some topics if you obviously
know them and test you extensively on topics you appear not to know. Their
answer was, "no." This was from the Cisco Training Department who manages
the Cisco Career Certifications. I never asked the question of the CCIE
department, but I think the answer would be the same.
I haven't asked Cisco about the survey, but I find it very hard to believe
that they would change the test based on the survey. I think the disclaimer
warns you about the scoring changing based on the survey because, if you
say you are an instructor, you must get a higher grade to pass.
The survey helps Cisco validate the test. Think about it from the
test-writer's point of view. If the test writer writes a question that he
thinks is really hard, but everyone gets it right, even the people who
report not having a lot of experience, then the test question is not valid.
If the test writer writes a question that only the inexperienced people get
right and all the experienced people miss, then the test question is not
valid. If the test writer writes a question that is meant to be very hard,
and only the people with the most experience get it right, then that is a
valid question. I think that's what the survey is for.
If they really changed the test based on the survey, what would stop
someone from claiming no experience so they would get easier questions? (Or
does it supposedly work the other way?)
Changing the questions based on the survey would be as ugly as trying to
change a presidential election based on confusing criteria for what's a
valid vote and what's not. &;-)
Priscilla
At 08:31 AM 12/11/00, Brian wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>
> > Actually, this topic came up a couple of months ago. Someone who was
highly
> > experienced in networking and Cisco in particular failed the written
twice.
> > He reported to the group that the passing mark was based in significant
> part
> > on the answers one gave in the survey before the test. The better your
> > experience, the harder the test and the higher the passing score.
> >
> > Anyone remember that thread? Has that guy ever reported passing?
>
>that thread went round and round. The bottom line is this:
>
>1. In the disclaimer you must read before taking the "survey" that comes
>before the test, it clearly states that your test will be scored in
>accordance to how you answer the questions.
>
>yet
>
>2. Cisco has responded to one of Priscilla's emails and said that the
>survey makes no difference.
>
>
>I have talked to an individule who too the test many times who said that
>based on the survey it did appear to change.
>
>Also, if the survey has absolutely nothing to do with the
>scoring........then why the disclaimer that says otherwise?
>
>Brian
>
>
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Brian
> > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:48 PM
> > To: Ben Darji
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ben Darji wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Can anybody give me an accurate account of the pass mark required for
the
> > > CCIE Routing and Switching multiple choice exam?
> >
> > Their is no set pass mark anymore. When you begin your test, a pass
mark
> > is downloaded based on the pass marks of the previous 3 or 4 months.
Sort
> > of like a "curve" if you will. Its "generally" around 70-75% however.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ben
> > >
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