Yeah but the people who write that stuff are subliterate idiots. I don't
believe it says what they meant it to say.
Can someone try to get a real answer!? Thanks.
Priscilla
At 05:39 PM 12/11/00, Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
>Priscilla,
>
>I think having a survey to validate the test is an excellent idea, however
>the disclaimer on the exam does specifically state that your score is
>dependent on how you answer the questions. It didn't give me the impression
>that it's to discriminate between CCSI's and non CCSI candidates...
>
>If it's used to validate test questions, they should replace their
>disclaimer with a statement of what it's actually being used for--I think
>many people have not accurately reported their information because they're
>afraid of getting tougher questions or being scored at a higher bar...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Priscilla Oppenheimer
>Sent: December 11, 2000 1:44 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
>
>
>Actually the question that I asked Cisco was whether their tests are
>adaptive such that they give you a "bye" on some topics if you obviously
>know them and test you extensively on topics you appear not to know. Their
>answer was, "no." This was from the Cisco Training Department who manages
>the Cisco Career Certifications. I never asked the question of the CCIE
>department, but I think the answer would be the same.
>
>I haven't asked Cisco about the survey, but I find it very hard to believe
>that they would change the test based on the survey. I think the disclaimer
>warns you about the scoring changing based on the survey because, if you
>say you are an instructor, you must get a higher grade to pass.
>
>The survey helps Cisco validate the test. Think about it from the
>test-writer's point of view. If the test writer writes a question that he
>thinks is really hard, but everyone gets it right, even the people who
>report not having a lot of experience, then the test question is not valid.
>If the test writer writes a question that only the inexperienced people get
>right and all the experienced people miss, then the test question is not
>valid. If the test writer writes a question that is meant to be very hard,
>and only the people with the most experience get it right, then that is a
>valid question. I think that's what the survey is for.
>
>If they really changed the test based on the survey, what would stop
>someone from claiming no experience so they would get easier questions? (Or
>does it supposedly work the other way?)
>
>Changing the questions based on the survey would be as ugly as trying to
>change a presidential election based on confusing criteria for what's a
>valid vote and what's not. &;-)
>
>Priscilla
>
>
>At 08:31 AM 12/11/00, Brian wrote:
> >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, this topic came up a couple of months ago. Someone who was
>highly
> > > experienced in networking and Cisco in particular failed the written
>twice.
> > > He reported to the group that the passing mark was based in significant
> > part
> > > on the answers one gave in the survey before the test. The better your
> > > experience, the harder the test and the higher the passing score.
> > >
> > > Anyone remember that thread? Has that guy ever reported passing?
> >
> >that thread went round and round. The bottom line is this:
> >
> >1. In the disclaimer you must read before taking the "survey" that comes
> >before the test, it clearly states that your test will be scored in
> >accordance to how you answer the questions.
> >
> >yet
> >
> >2. Cisco has responded to one of Priscilla's emails and said that the
> >survey makes no difference.
> >
> >
> >I have talked to an individule who too the test many times who said that
> >based on the survey it did appear to change.
> >
> >Also, if the survey has absolutely nothing to do with the
> >scoring........then why the disclaimer that says otherwise?
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > Brian
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:48 PM
> > > To: Ben Darji
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ben Darji wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Can anybody give me an accurate account of the pass mark required for
>the
> > > > CCIE Routing and Switching multiple choice exam?
> > >
> > > Their is no set pass mark anymore. When you begin your test, a pass
>mark
> > > is downloaded based on the pass marks of the previous 3 or 4 months.
>Sort
> > > of like a "curve" if you will. Its "generally" around 70-75% however.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > >
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