Eddie,
I appreciate your reply. Just remember that you are a representative of
Cisco and you need to put your words into that context. When you say
something in the future, especially about a competitor, be prepared to be
called out on the floor to back it up with actual facts and some sort of
source for your data.
andy
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I am not slamming the Extreme switch. They make a fair switch. I am
> just stating facts. I would buy Foundry before I buy Extreme. Foundry
> makes a better switch than Extreme, and is also cheaper than Cisco. I will
> go over what I wrote: facts.
>
> 1) Enterprises do not come close to switching capacities - FACT 98% of the
> time.
> 2) The Catalyst 6500 offers more features - FACT (I will go into more
> detail if you want)
> 3) Cisco has a road map for all future IOS features. Cisco can tell you
> what will be in 12.1(10) if you wanted to know. Every IOS release is
> planned feature wise.
>
> -Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:58 PM
> To: Eddie Parra
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
>
>
> This is the second email I have seen from someone at Cisco slamming the
> competition and promoting their stuff today. If your a sales guy
> fine, find the cisco sales list and those that want to here it will
> subscribe. I'm sure someone can contact their Cisco sales rep for the
> kinda of vague information and subtle slams listed below. If you wanted to
> offer a accurate list of features between the two products, I imagine it
> would be better recieved.
>
>
> andy
>
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:
>
> > Inamul,
> >
> > What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your
> application
> > is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching
> > ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a
> TON
> > of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need
> > now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future
> > feature.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Desai, Inamul
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> >
> > My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch.
> > We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not
> > deliver test box so we had to go their lab.
> >
> > Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster
> > than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it,
> > we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders
> > or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market
> > share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on
> > CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme.
> >
> >
> > Inamul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM
> > To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for
> an
> > ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar
> > with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an
> > easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice
> to
> > be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the
> > biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits.
> >
> > FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for
> putting
> > you into the mindset of the exam.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
> recommend
> > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
> > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
> > products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
> >
> > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
> >
> > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
> Cisco
> > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> > those markets.
> >
> > And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> > still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE
> > will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs
> &
> > CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
> >
> > (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
> not
> > used Boson tests... :-)
> >
> > Bharat Suneja
> >
> >
> > "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL...
> > > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how
> long
> > > time this value is going to retain its bright ??
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > > > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
> > some
> > > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is
> the
> > > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down
> with
> > a
> > > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > > > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> > > >
> > > > andy
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > hi guys
> > > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much
> > > > more
> > > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )....do u
> > think
> > > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
> > like
> > > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
> > > > discuss
> > > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohamed
> > > > >
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