I fail to see how your reply relates to my post, and I
would agree with the generic position that the resume
will not garner the offer - however, I've gotten
offers on resume alone for contracts, and I've
rejected a number of otherwise fine canidates because
their resumes were so bad. (I was hiring.) These
problems included grammar, spelling, style and
content. The resume sets a tone - a good one raises
the expectations and elevates the canidate. A poor
one, if interviewed, places him/her in a bad position
from the start.
--- Lou Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert...
> I feel there are some CLASSIC mistakes here. The
> resume will NEVER... I
> repeat NEVER get you a job ... Only an
> interview... and the HR
> will go over to put the full package together....
> SO lets get this... The
> interview and what end of the salary you fall on....
> The CCNA just might
> get the resume from the HR to techies,... who will
> say... hey we got a CCNP
> here... bottom line it can NOT hurt you to put the
> CCNA under the CCNP.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Robert Padjen
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:38 PM
> To: Pradeep Kumar; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> resumes)
>
>
> I think that having two version of your resume is
> more
> common these days - fancy formatting for print and
> ASCII for eMail, etc. I PDF mine, and its three
> pages,
> but the first page is summary and the last page is
> education, certifications and associations. I think
> that the length answer is three or under - if you've
> got more then its either too dated or you've done
> too
> much and aren't parsing out the important stuff.
>
> When I review for hire I am amazed at the number of
> gramatical and spelling errors, in addition to the
> amount of silly stuff. Do I care that you belong to
> the ski club? No. Do I enjoy seeing the letters CCNA
> after your name like MD? Not when I'm hiring - in
> fact, it puts you in place with the rest of the
> folks
> instead of pulling you to the top.
>
> One page these days, my opinion, is too sparse. Each
> of the last five years should have at least four
> bullets - that's good for a page in well zized text.
> Another page for certs and education, and perhaps a
> little bit for introduction - I personally hate the
> "I
> want a job that..." Also, please DON'T use every
> font
> and don't print double sided. Leave room for
> notes!!!
> (Sorry for being a mother hen!)
>
> For the certs on the resume - CCNA, CCNP..., it
> seems
> like there are two camps - those that put it in for
> HR
> and keyword search and those that don't want to work
> for a company that is too stupid to understand the
> relationship. (The position is too junior if they're
> looking for NA...) That was the winning arguement,
> althought for votes it was about 60-40 in favor of
> putting them in. Thanks. My friend's resume is two
> lines shorter and he is thankful. ;)
>
> All the best.
>
>
> --- Pradeep Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know of a case where a CCIE(W) with a 14 page
> > resume did not make it for a tech support position
> > and a CCNA with a one page resume made it.
> >
> > "Size" does not matter,performance does. ;-)
> >
> > What is more important than the size of the resume
> > is your ability to stand up and vouch for the
> things
> > that you claim.I tele interviewed a guy who
> claimed
> > being trained from Sniffer University and did not
> > know the basic sequence of packets exchanged when
> a
> > TCP IP connection is made between a Server and a
> > client.We hired him coz he was sincere, not becoz
> he
> > was a techie.Sincere guys who have a potential for
> > being trained are sometimes more productive than a
> > self-centered techies.
> >
> > So, just be yourself( irrespective of length)
> >
> > -PG
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brant Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:07:25 -0500
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> > resumes)
> >
> >
> > I use 2 versions, one online, and the other I try
> to
> > keep at 3 pages, though
> > as time moves on, will probably go to 4 or 5...
> >
> > Brant I. Stevens
> > Internetwork Solutions Engineer
> > Thrupoint, Inc.
> > 545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
> > New York, NY. 10017
> > 646-562-6540
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Tariq Bin Azad
> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:41 PM
> > To: 'Andy'
> > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> > resumes)
> >
> >
> > Size of my resume is 3 Pages..... 3 is not my
> lucky
> > no...
> >
> > Tariq
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 26 January, 2001 7:09 AM
> > To: Bradley J. Wilson
> > Cc: cisco
> > Subject: Re: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> > resumes)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Bradley J. Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > You bring up an interesting topic. I try to
> keep
> > mine under *four* pages!
> > > ;-) Why four? I dunno, just seemed like a good
> > number, I guess. I had
> > one
> > > guy ask me, way back when I was starting out:
> > "Your resume's only *one
> > > page*??" Guess it kinda had an effect on me.
> ;-)
> > >
> > > Anyone else want to chime in? Can we get a bell
> > curve going on what the
> > > average resume length is?
> >
> > How about "I don't care because I never print it
> > anyway". Its always in
> > electronic form and its more important to make
> sure
> > all my experience and
> > skills are documented then conform to some twisted
> > misconception of
> > appearance. Those rules don't apply to technical
> > resumes anyway. They
> > apply to people that have basically no skills and
> > all pretty much look the
> > same anyway.
> >
> > andy
> >
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