I read a bit of callousness in Lauren's approach,
but I agree with the general idea Lauren proposes.
I have sent out similar emails to people who waste
my time, instead of doing a bit of research.  I also
oppose the use of "shorthand" english in public emails.
It is offputting, so I tend to ignore those people
entirely.

But, Howard, aren't you being a little too cryptic?
The commons obviously is the listserv.  But who are
putting too many sheep out?  Lauren (and me, I guess,
by association  with that point of view), or all the
others who criticize?

Or both sides?  I agree, it is time to end this thread.

Ray Mosely
CCNA, MCSE

BTW, Howard, our first communiques ended up with you
bashing me.  Thank you, sincerely, because I was humbled.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tragedy of the Commons (was Thought youd enjoy this


There's a basic concept in economic theory called the "tragedy of the
commons."  The commons, in this case, was a shared pasture in which
the village livestock could graze.  As long as the number of cattle
fit the basic needs of each family, the commons provided enough
grazing land for all.

But less cooperative people decided that they could increase their
personal profits by having more cows and sheep.  Nothing wrong with
that -- except the also expected to pasture them on the common land,
rather than set up private pastures for private herds and flocks.

The commons, however, had just so much capacity, and, when it was
overgrazed by the additional beasts, the grass could no longer
recover, and the entire resource died.  Nothing could graze any
longer.

Information based on people's time is a modern version.  It takes
time to scan a list for irrelevant messages, especially when people
don't use informative subject headings. Outside North America, there
is often a monetary cost to downloading more and more material that
may not be of interest.

So yes -- when people ask questions that could be answered with
reasonable use of a search engine, I get a bit annoyed.  CCO, I
realize, can be uncooperative, and I am sympathetic to people who say
"I tried to find this on CCO but didn't get anything useful."

There is no question that I'm usually rude to telemarketers.
Sometimes, they whine that they won't take much of my time. But I
really try to create a hostile work environment for telemarketers,
because if encouraged, they will waste so much of my time that I
won't be able to earn money to buy their products.

Hopefully, my parable may convey something about effective and fair
use of lists.

>Lauren Child wrote,



>"Roberts, Timothy" wrote:
>  >
>>  Obviously english is not this persons first language.  Why should this
>>  person be made fun of because he has not fully mastered it yet?
>>
>
>He shouldnt.  He should be made fun of for having an MCSE and CCNA, and
>working for CCNP, and not mastering the search engine.

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