No way, Allen... you already cashed it in about 15 messages ago on this thread
- no fair cashing in twice ;-)
and I actually think this has been a healthy thread. There seem to be these
camps, from what I've read:
1. Certs add value regardless of a person's experience in industry - it's a
willingness to learn.
2. Experience adds value and meaning to the Certs - it's an enhancement to
your experience and something that is in written recognizable form.
3. Certs get your foot into the otherwise closed, air-tight door - it's an
indication that the person is trained and knowledgeable to some extent on the
techonology, and therefore less risky to hire than a non-certified (possibly
experienced) person
Thank goodness no one has presented the argument that Certs are a bad thing
;-)
All of the positions have validity. The original poster was concerned about
VALUE DILUTION of the certs with all the folks who were "jumping on the
bandwagon" versus those of us who have been in the job and are uncertified and
working on our certs. This raised the issue of "what's more important or
holds more value... the Cert or experience?" And that's been tossed around
alot in the past 20 or so messages. Value, fortunately, lies in the eyes of
the hiring manager, so if you can convince HIM one way or another, whichever
way you want to sway it, more power to you!
(now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with that?
"It's two, two, two mints in one")
LOL... I should be so jolly after a one-hour rolling blackout at my office!
-e-
"Allen May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm still ready to stop this thread and cash in on all the 2 cents thrown
> in.
> ;)
>
> Allen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
>
> > I believe that there are two distinctions that should
> > be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
> > the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
> > well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
> > focus of the GE portion of the program is to diversify
> > - humanities, science, language, amongst others. This
> > is one of the limitations to the Cisco (and other)
> > certifications as the certifications present a myopic
> > view.
> >
> > The second distinction is that I would contend neither
> > represents more than the sum of its components, and
> > that value is perceived. For example, if I graduated
> > Stanford with a 2.1 GPA, as opposed to San Diego State
> > with a 4.0, which school would be a better hire? Few
> > resumes I see have the GPA, and, regardless, a lot of
> > folks use the name...
> >
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point
> > > of view.
> > >
> > > I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP,
> > > DA, DP and IE written
> > > are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate
> > > studies worth the same. Just
> > > papers.
> > >
> > > I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing
> > > all the cisco stuff.
> > > I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set
> > > CCDA, CCNP and CCIE complete.
> > >
> > > I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx,
> > > switching, etc before
> > > taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning
> > > path version 11.2 and
> > > just recently obtain my degrees and working for the
> > > big one.
> > >
> > > What will be your opinion Do I know something or I
> > > am just papers?
> > >
> > > You sould be carefull on your opinion about this
> > > things, all the knowledge
> > > since a long time ago has been paper, No one has
> > > achieve glory after years
> > > of practice and experience.
> > >
> > > I was thinking that you are trying to do the same
> > > that the shareowners are
> > > doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating
> > > the value of the Certifications,
> > > why don't you do the same with the college and and
> > > graduate degrees, they
> > > are very similar just studying and passing examns
> > > not real life thing until
> > > you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam
> > > thesis).
> > >
> > > Giga Internetworking
> > >
> > > Fer Saldana
> > >
> > >
> > >
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