I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten their
CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably could be quoted as saying
something like "that was the most difficult thing I've ever seen") to now
say "Sure...... make it as difficult as possible.... "
I don't know many CCIEs personally. Only a couple, and both of them said
that given the time constraints of the lab (2 days), it is extremely
difficult. So I don't think jamming it into 1 day just because Cisco is too
cheap to spring for more testing centers to keep up with demand is a
"resonable solution". Isn't this why Cisco is contemplating making it 1
day? Not to "raise the bar" of the level of the exam, but simply because
they're testing centers can't handle the demand. Mashing into 1 day, IMHO,
would be a very poor decision.
Agreeing with Brad, do all of the CCIEs that are out there have a problem
with leaving the bar where it was when you passed it? It only seems fair.
Mike W.
"Bradley J. Wilson" wrote in message
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> If I weren't up to the challenge, I wouldn't be on this newsgroup. Are
you
> up to the challenge of leaving the bar at the same height that it was when
> *you* passed the test? I personally think the test is difficult enough as
> it is. Am I a wimp because of that? Do we need to dump some dirt on the
> top of Everest now that it's been conquered by someone else ahead of me?
>
> If Cisco wants to make the test "tougher," they're well within their
rights
> to do so. I just hope they don't call it the "CCIE" - call it something
> different, and reset the numbers to zero (or 1025, whichever).
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Louie Belt
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:33 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
tougher.
> A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past. This
> has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by the
> backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written).
> Making it tougher is just a method of counterbalancing all of the
increased
> study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE cert.
>
> If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you should want it to be as
> difficult as possible, otherwise where is the value in the cert? If you
are
> not up to the challenge, then don't make the attempt.
>
> As for who should evaluate the CCIE program - most (not all)employers
> couldn't begin to answer the questions about what is needed from a CCIE.
> The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far) so they should already
have
> an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been respectful enough of the CCIE
> population to also ask for their input and most have given it willingly.
>
> My main interested is in preserving the value of the CCIE cert. I am
> currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and still hope they make it
tougher
> (before I complete it). I also hope they make the recertification tests
> tougher as well.
>
> I'm up to the challenge - are you?
>
>
> Louie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bradley J. Wilson
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> Forgive my cynicism, but any CCIE *would* want the lab to be tougher -
they
> would know that any CCIEs that came along after they received their number
> increase the supply, thus lowering the cost of the good. ;-)
>
> I think Cisco ought to be asking companies who *hire* CCIEs what skills
> *they* would like to see in those who carry the CCIE certification - not
the
> number-carrying CCIEs themselves.
>
> BJ
>
> P.S. And while I'm feeling cynical...can we please move the "NT vs. UNIX"
> nonsense to private emails or perhaps a different mail list? Theeeeenks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Belt, Louie
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:15 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
> and if anything - make it tougher. The explosion of materials available
to
> help people get though the written and prepare for the lab has taken some
of
> the challenge out of the process in my opinion. I would prefer they keep
it
> a 2 day lab, make it mean as h*** and keep the prestige in the cert. I
also
> told them I did not want them to stop issuing the medal for those who
> succeed.
>
> Louie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCIE Wanna BE
> To: Belt, Louie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> Sent: 6/1/01 8:23 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
> So what is everyone's take?
> --- "Belt, Louie" wrote:
> > That is simply one possible solution. They have
> > sent a survey out to all of
> > the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CCIE Wanna BE
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
> > Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> > A Cisco manager/CCIE told me that Cisco was planing
> > on
> > moving from the two day CCIE lab, to a one day
> > (because of the back log). But the 1 day isn't
> > going
> > to be easier, it's going to be harder....
> >
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