Louie- I don't think we're talk'n Apple to Apples here...
During the early CCIE exams, I was told candidates were able to use their
own notes during the test (if Pamela Forsythe is out there, she could
confirm this rumor) & can you imagine how much "easier" the lab would have
been with versions 9.0, 10.0 or even 11.0(22) IOS. I agree there's more
information available, but after having sat through a 2 week CCIE lab prep
class... I think the information just gets you in the ballpark. Things
like bad time management & poor interpretations, are big obstacles no book
can fix. I believe the exam is as hard (if not harder) than it's ever been.
Man- this cup of coffee I'm drink'n must not be decaff :o)
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> When the CCIE cert first came about there were not 100+ books avilable to
> help you pass it. There were not a multitude of online labs, lab study
> guides, study groups, ... Since all of those items are now available, I
> feel the bar has been lowered. I'm for putting it back where it was.
>
> Additionally I'm studying for my second CCIE cert, I sincerely hope that
it
> is much tougher than my first. I want to maintain the value of the cert.
>
> Louie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Michael L. Williams
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten their
> CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably could be quoted as saying
> something like "that was the most difficult thing I've ever seen") to now
> say "Sure...... make it as difficult as possible.... "
>
> I don't know many CCIEs personally. Only a couple, and both of them said
> that given the time constraints of the lab (2 days), it is extremely
> difficult. So I don't think jamming it into 1 day just because Cisco is
too
> cheap to spring for more testing centers to keep up with demand is a
> "resonable solution". Isn't this why Cisco is contemplating making it 1
> day? Not to "raise the bar" of the level of the exam, but simply because
> they're testing centers can't handle the demand. Mashing into 1 day,
IMHO,
> would be a very poor decision.
>
> Agreeing with Brad, do all of the CCIEs that are out there have a problem
> with leaving the bar where it was when you passed it? It only seems fair.
>
> Mike W.
>
> "Bradley J. Wilson" wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If I weren't up to the challenge, I wouldn't be on this newsgroup. Are
> you
> > up to the challenge of leaving the bar at the same height that it was
when
> > *you* passed the test? I personally think the test is difficult enough
as
> > it is. Am I a wimp because of that? Do we need to dump some dirt on
the
> > top of Everest now that it's been conquered by someone else ahead of me?
> >
> > If Cisco wants to make the test "tougher," they're well within their
> rights
> > to do so. I just hope they don't call it the "CCIE" - call it something
> > different, and reset the numbers to zero (or 1025, whichever).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Louie Belt
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:33 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
> tougher.
> > A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past.
This
> > has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by the
> > backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written).
> > Making it tougher is just a method of counterbalancing all of the
> increased
> > study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE cert.
> >
> > If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you should want it to be as
> > difficult as possible, otherwise where is the value in the cert? If you
> are
> > not up to the challenge, then don't make the attempt.
> >
> > As for who should evaluate the CCIE program - most (not all)employers
> > couldn't begin to answer the questions about what is needed from a CCIE.
> > The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far) so they should already
> have
> > an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been respectful enough of the CCIE
> > population to also ask for their input and most have given it willingly.
> >
> > My main interested is in preserving the value of the CCIE cert. I am
> > currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and still hope they make it
> tougher
> > (before I complete it). I also hope they make the recertification tests
> > tougher as well.
> >
> > I'm up to the challenge - are you?
> >
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Bradley J. Wilson
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:11 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > Forgive my cynicism, but any CCIE *would* want the lab to be tougher -
> they
> > would know that any CCIEs that came along after they received their
number
> > increase the supply, thus lowering the cost of the good. ;-)
> >
> > I think Cisco ought to be asking companies who *hire* CCIEs what skills
> > *they* would like to see in those who carry the CCIE certification - not
> the
> > number-carrying CCIEs themselves.
> >
> > BJ
> >
> > P.S. And while I'm feeling cynical...can we please move the "NT vs.
UNIX"
> > nonsense to private emails or perhaps a different mail list?
Theeeeenks.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Belt, Louie
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
> > and if anything - make it tougher. The explosion of materials available
> to
> > help people get though the written and prepare for the lab has taken
some
> of
> > the challenge out of the process in my opinion. I would prefer they
keep
> it
> > a 2 day lab, make it mean as h*** and keep the prestige in the cert. I
> also
> > told them I did not want them to stop issuing the medal for those who
> > succeed.
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CCIE Wanna BE
> > To: Belt, Louie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> > Sent: 6/1/01 8:23 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> > So what is everyone's take?
> > --- "Belt, Louie" wrote:
> > > That is simply one possible solution. They have
> > > sent a survey out to all of
> > > the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
> > >
> > > Louie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CCIE Wanna BE
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
> > > Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> > >
> > > A Cisco manager/CCIE told me that Cisco was planing
> > > on
> > > moving from the two day CCIE lab, to a one day
> > > (because of the back log). But the 1 day isn't
> > > going
> > > to be easier, it's going to be harder....
> > >
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