switch vs. router question
        
        Response - it depends on what you want it to do.
        If you want something that makes no routing decisions - then a
switch is the answer.
        Switches have basically one job at either level.

        On the other hand you have warts :)

        Really - routers will have a different load to handle, even in a
multi layered approach.
        So, a router is likely to be slower in accomplishing mega packets
per second. 

        Make the decision based on what it will be used for in the network
design.
        Remember use the right tool for the job and no one gets hurt. 

           Darel R Graham
           Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. 
           -Benjamin Franklin 



-----Original Message-----
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Layer3 switch vs Router [7:7406]


I just wanted to get my $0.02 in, but the message had gotten so long I 
think the filters dropped my response. I apologize if this is a duplicate.

Priscilla

At 12:39 AM 6/7/01, Michael L. Williams wrote:
>Chuck......  I talked to a good friend of mine that knows more of this than
>I do......  and even HE wasn't clear on the line of switch -vs- router.....
>so my following comments are strickly my thinking out loud...... mostly to
>get feedback .....
>
>I don't think there is a difference in a layer 3 switch that does 100,000
>packets/sec -vs- a router that does 100,000 packets/sec.  However,
>respectfully submit that I don't know of any routers that can keep up with
>Layer 3 switches because in multilayer switching the route processor only
>has to route the first packet in a flow.

Yes, but..... Isn't that true for a router with fast switching, silicon 
switching, optimum switching, distributed switching, etc? And with NetFlow 
switching, a router can take into account access control lists and QoS 
features that need to be applied to a flow, much in the same way that these 
new MLS switches can do this with their flow masks. (Thanks for your 
earlier message that explained flow masks so well.)

I agree that MLS has great potential. It sounds complicated to configure 
and hard to troubleshoot, though. I think I would keep a hub and a protocol 
analyzer handy when first implementing it, so I could check traffic between 
the MLS-RP and MLS-SE when things went wrong.

Regarding packets-per-second, we need to remember that this is a marketing 
game. The enormous numbers come from the absolute maximum possible number 
of packets on a Gigabit Ethernet, taking into account the inter-frame gap 
and preamble. The test engineers pump frames of the smallest possible size 
into the switch to make the numbers really look big. (I wonder if they take 
into account the carrier extension with Gigabit Ethernet? That would make 
the numbers less.) The PPS is based on this max number of packets coming in 
one port and going out another Gigabit Ethernet port. They can increase the 
numbers even more by using multiple ingress and egress ports and no 
contention for an egress port.

The numbers for both switches and some routers are so astronomically high 
these days that they stretch credibility. Do real-world traffic generators 
really send that much traffic?

Regarding CPUs, the general-purpose CPU on the Cisco routers may not be 
very fast, but the high-end routers also have Versatile Interface 
Processors that help with high-speed switching.

One last point is that routers have features that switches don't have 
today. We configure access lists on routers. (Although an MLS-SE can make 
use of these access control lists, we still configure them on the router). 
Routers run running protocols. Routers act as firewalls, policy servers, 
handle RSVP and other QoS requests, connect telephones, act as DHCP 
servers, connect modems both analog and cable, etc.

Just a few thoughts before this interesting discussion undergoes a 
well-deserved retirement.

Priscilla




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