Thank you everyone for your invaluable moral support! It feels good to know
that there is hope & room for development for us girls in the IT industry,
abeit many had faced some kind of sexual discrimation from time to time.
I've decided to save up enough to get my own cisco gears, get that CCIE title
and prove my worth to those MCPs at my workplace.
And... it's good to know that female CCIE exists!!
Cheers, Eve
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard C. Berkowitz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Let me throw out some experience from the product development and
related side of things.
My immediate boss is female. I split responsibilities for guiding
Nortel's interaction with the IETF routing area and the operational
forums such as NANOG with a woman.
In one cooperative research program, it's pretty evenly split. And
yes, before I met one colleague in working on the theory of Internet
convergence, it wasn't especially relevant what gender she was, just
how we talked about protocol theory. Now that I've met her, we still
talk exactly the same way about protocol theory, except that I'm now
aware that, other than not having the mole, she is a clone of Cindy
Crawford. In other words, I was first aware of her as a professional
peer, still work with her that way, but also take male notice of her
physically -- and do nothing about that but appreciate in a way that
has no impact on our work. I am also aware of some male colleagues
who are disgustingly good looking--that doesn't affect our
relationships either.
Among software developers at Nortel, things are pretty mixed--I
certainly know women at the VP level, and they are first respected as
engineers and managers. Cisco was founded by a married couple.
I have four coauthors on the BGP convergence documents I'm working on
in the IETF. Three are female, one of whom is co-chair of the BGP
standards committee.
I've had both female and male peer reviewers of my books. I've only
had female editors, one of whom I loathed, but gender was irrelevant.
Priscilla and I have worked together for years. If she refers to me
as MCP, I assume she means Master Control Program. The only problem
with working with Annlee and Leigh Anne is that their names
occasionally get confused.
>Good question. I'm still trying to find out why.
>
>Perhaps I'm just sick & tired of my colleagues looking down upon my
>capabilities (being a female in this industry tends to be belittled by
>others,
>you see, esp in my part of the world.) Even the examination centers
officers
>are puzzled to see me taking Cisco exams, when they would expect only guys
to
>do such things.
>
>I'm being treated like a female clerk at the system integrator firm where
I
>worked, being excluded out of all technical discussions because the guys
just
>think "gee what do YOU know about this router/switch/firewall thing??"
(For
>your reference, I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering, degree in
>Commerce, MCSE, etc etc). Is sexual discrimation prevalent everywhere in
>this
>IT industry, or just at my place?
>
>Guess I took my CCNP simply out of pride, just to show that "whatever you
>guys
>can do, I can do too."
>
>And perhaps, out of pride too, I will take my CCIE.
>
>Regards, Eve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeroen Timmer
> To: 'jap_e'
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
> Why even bother to be CCNP or CCIE when you never touch a router ?!?!
>
> It's not my concern what you do, or don't, but it just looked funny to
me.
> Gaining CCNP without playing around with routers and stuff ? Why you
wanna
>become CCNP ?
>
>
>
> grtz,
>
>
>
> JT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
>
> The answer is Yes, you can be a paper CCNP.
>
> I just turned CCNP last week and I have never touched a router before.
>Have
>never logged into a router, not used any router simulator software. (Yes
I
>know how a router looked like from the pictures I've seen.) Neither did i
>cheat by using brain dumps.
>
> All the information for passing the exams only came from the 4 Sybex
books
>(routing, switching, support, RA) Not trying to be proud here, but a
paper
>CCNP is possible.
>
> Will take my written CCIE soon. As for the lab exam, hmm... we shall
>see...
>
> Cheers, Eve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher Supino
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
>
> Consider them rolled.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> B.J. Wilson
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
>
> I heard that cert was still in Draft stage.
>
> (insert collective eye-roll here.)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Supino"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
>
> > Nice Chuck. Don't forget to add CFTA(Certified Flush Toilet
> Administrator),
> > and MCBD(Miller Certified Beer Drinker).
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:22 PM
> > To: Christopher Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> > Christopher Supino
> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> >
> > When did CCIE Written become a certification? I take serious issue
with
> > engineers who do this. It only adds to the cheapening of the cert.
Pass
> your
> > lab, get your number, call yourself a CCIE. Til then, you are a
CCNP,
> CCDP.
> > My two cents.
> >
> > CL: about the same time the CCNP 2.0 became a certification. Some
>people
> > will do anything to make themselves look better
> >
> > Chuck
> > primary school diploma, high school diploma, Universal Life Church
> minister
> > Costco GoldStar Member, United Mileage Plus member, Calif. State
AAA
> member
> > should I join the NRA and look tough too? ;->
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> > ahmed adil
> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> >
> >
> > Just cant do it without a router
> >
> > Ahmed
> > CCIE Written CCNP CCDP MCSE
> >
> > ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Having recently just passed CCNP this year I will say you must
have a
> > > Router.
> > > The reason is that the prescribed rituals must be performed in
front
>of
> > the
> > > Router.
> > > Without a Router the powerful spirit of routing, BGPOSPF, wont
bless
> your
> > > efforts and even if you do pass all knowledge will be removed
from
>you
> > > within 2 months. Some have said scrificing your most valuable
>possesion
> > > before the router helps. I give it my time which seemed to work
well.
> > Others
> > > have given the Router spirit money, bought it accessories, even
food
>but
> > so
> > > far time works best.
> > > Hope this helps and smile cause TGIF!!
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf
>Of
>D
> > > Rick
> > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:57 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18107]
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? I'm doing practice
test
>from
> > > Boson and doing the Sybex study guide? Is that sufficient? Do I
>need
> to
> > be
> > > in front of a router?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Rick D
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