Hi Eve,
i would not say it is prodominant in industry, i know of/worked with/keep in
touch with
a few women who work in the industry. Although there are more males than
females in the
industry is still should not influence decisions. Sounds like your work
place is not good. Over
here the company would be dragged over the coals so to speak.
Jason
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buri, Heather L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2001 6:29 am
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
> I think it has to do with the fact that we are in a largely male-dominated
> field and we will continue to find that from time to time. I am lucky in
> that most of the people I work with are great and very open-minded.
>
> My sister encounters the same thing. She is a chemical Engineer and has
> been challenged on a couple of occasions to prove her knowledge.
>
> Just never stop learning and you will do fine.
>
> Heather Buri
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:11 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> >
> > When I started in the industry in 1980, I would say that about 5% of the
>
> > men I encountered were MCPs. I expected that to change, but it didn't.
> In
> > 2001, I would say that still about 5% of the men I work with are MCPs.
> > They
> > are prejudiced against women. The word comes from pre and judge. They
> pre
> > judge me and make assumptions that I'm not technical. Proving them wrong
>
> > doesn't work in some cases. Some of them continue to judge me based on
> > body
> > parts rather than technical skills, and they don't listen to me. If they
>
> > don't listen, I can't prove them wrong. Oh, well. These days I just
> ignore
> >
> > the MCPs and move on. ;-)
> >
> > At least it's only 5%. In the 1950s it would have been much worse, and
> it
> > sounds like it's still worse in some parts of the world. I think it will
>
> > change, at least to the point that the MCPs are a very small majority.
> > (Five percent may be a constant. ;-)
> >
> > Certifications are definitely a good way to avoid some of the
> pre-judging.
> >
> > Go for it, Eve! Good luck to you.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> > At 12:35 PM 9/5/01, Steve Smith wrote:
> > >Well Eve, the glass ceiling and where a woman's place stigma is very
> > >prevalent in big established companies. I have female friends that work
> > >in the "corporate IT world" and no matter where they go it's all the
> > >same. Some not as bad as others but the old dogs from the IBM error
> just
> > >can except that a woman can do networking just as good if not better
> > >then a lot of men. One of them even told her they could not promote her
> > >because it would mean dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese
> > >clients, and in business that dog will not hunt with these groups so
> > >they would have to promote a man.
> > >
> > >In the integrator and ASP/ISP/.com world I have found women are greatly
> > >appreciated. We hired a female engineer and she fit like a glove. Every
> > >single guy from the help desk to the CEO has the utmost respect for her
> > >and is never shy to go to her and ask a Q if they think she may know.
> > >
> > >Take your test, know your stuff, show your worth.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:54 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> > >
> > >
> > >Good question. I'm still trying to find out why.
> > >
> > >Perhaps I'm just sick & tired of my colleagues looking down upon my
> > >capabilities (being a female in this industry tends to be belittled by
> > >others,
> > >you see, esp in my part of the world.) Even the examination centers
> > >officers
> > >are puzzled to see me taking Cisco exams, when they would expect only
> > >guys to
> > >do such things.
> > >
> > >I'm being treated like a female clerk at the system integrator firm
> > >where I
> > >worked, being excluded out of all technical discussions because the
> guys
> > >just
> > >think "gee what do YOU know about this router/switch/firewall thing??"
> > >(For
> > >your reference, I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering, degree in
> > >Commerce, MCSE, etc etc). Is sexual discrimation prevalent everywhere
> > >in
> > >this
> > >IT industry, or just at my place?
> > >
> > >Guess I took my CCNP simply out of pride, just to show that "whatever
> > >you
> > >guys
> > >can do, I can do too."
> > >
> > >And perhaps, out of pride too, I will take my CCIE.
> > >
> > >Regards, Eve
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com
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